Magnesium Cream. (Anyone ever hear of this)?
 

http://www.nextag.com/581471879p/zz2zB4z23/prices-html

I was just wondering. If Magnesium Oxide (in the pills) is worthless, and one can't find a better, except online, then might it be okay to use a bit of this cream?

From what they write, it's GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.

But you can't find it anywhere.

How dumb is that?

Anyone ever hear of this, and is this product (or any magnesium cream product), any good?

Thanks much

I have this information on my magnesium
 

thread.

The autistic community has used magnesium cream for quite a while now:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...m_Spec225.html

you can make your own. Mix some epsom salts(about a tablespoonful) into water on a plate, use as little water as possible, then mix it into a cream of your choice. (I used Aquaphor--because it is designed to
accept water without liquifying). You can also try Eucerin.

I put it on my knee but found it was of short duration used topically, so I stopped making and using it that way.

The autism community uses it on small children, and it is safer that way to avoid accidental overdoses in children.

Cream form is more expensive than oral.

Mrs. D.

If I could see you I WOULD HUG YOU!!!

So if I do this then this will get the magnesium I need into my body (and it's not the oxide which does nothing, right??).

So by doing this everyday, putting a small portion and rubbing it into my legs, I might just be able to stave off those toe cramps that I get every now and then??

And I'm drinking more water now also. I keep forgetting to drink my water every day.

That contributes to muscle spasms too, right?

But my body is slowly getting back to normal. I had a bad stress month (of June), and my whole body went haywire).

This morning, I'm slowly getting back to normal.

Oh, I found this link (I just went to your great magnesium thread over on the other forum).

This was posted:

http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...CPID=1280&np=1

So do you advise making your own cream or taking a magnesium pill?

Thanks ever so much.

Melody

I don't know about Oxide form...
 

Magnesium oxide does not dissolve like the sulfate does.

It remains a powder. And as such it may not cross the skin
as well. (like it does not dissolve in the GI tract or be absorbed that way.)

The creams typically use sulfate type, which is water soluable and is the same as epsom salts.

If you want a global effect on the body for magnesium, I think oral is best. That is how we are
designed ...to eat foods with magnesium in them.

If you want a local effect on say the feet only or the knee etc, then a cream will work.

Children have very different volumes of distribution compared to adults, so putting the cream on THEM gives more
systemic effects. (volume of distribution involves the ratio of the skin area to weight).
Volume of distribution is important in dosing small children, who need small doses for this reason.

Mel, many with tics/tourette use magnesium sulfate creme too.
it really seems to calm tics.
I make my own but I know a lot of people use the Kirkman's (it just has other stuff in so I go the purist route like mrsD's recipe :) )

the creme also a good quick way when one doesnt have time to do a full tub epsom salts soak or footbath.

The magnesium and sulfur really do work wonders for my arthritis in feet and are an almost instant relaxant and soother for my son's tics and the musculo-skeletal aches that come from them, and I believe there are also detox benefits from the tubs and footbaths

the only observation I have to compliment
 

Chemar's is this:

I found topical application of magnesium to work quickly, and just as quickly it wears off with a slight rebound effect for me.

I find oral helps more for me...especially in the legs.
I don't know why either. I think there is individual variance like there is with everything medical.

The magnesium malate at Puritan's is good. I have bought that version. The malic acid is useful for muscles etc. Many fibromyalgia treatments include malic acid.

That high dose magnesium malate does loosen me up, which I don't care for. It does not have that effect for my son, who uses the Puritan version too. It might be that the hard large tablet does not dissolve well for me.
For example the Ionic Fizz works much better for me.
As well as the delayed version, SlowMag. (I use the generic form to save $$ of this). I am very sensitive to the laxative effects of magnesium so I have to go slowly etc. Others don't have that issue.

I just came back from the store. I bought a tube of Aquaphor. Tonight, before I go to bed. I'll mix up a small batch with the epsom salts and water. Then I'll rub it on my toes.

Hey, Necessity is the mother of invention, right?

I'm also going to find which foods are HIGH in Magnesium. If it's not in the red meat area, then IT'S FINE WITH ME!!!

Can't thank you enough.

Oh, I just drank a big glass of water. I realized I HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THIS on a regular basis.

So I have the B-12 thing going on for the neuropathy, I'll have the epsom salts thing going on for the cramps.

And I just ate 4 prunes for lunch. I don't get hungry during the day. but I have to eat SOMETHING. So I ate 4 nice prunes. I don't get the low sugar like many diabetics do. Never have. I do check though. I'll have my dinner at 5.

I do have a question about fish. I eat fish every single day. If I don't have it for lunch, I have it for dinner. I'm lucky, I like fish. It's usually Turbot fillet, or fillet of sole. Sometimes I'll eat shrimp or scallops (cholesterol is fine).

Am I having too much mercury? What are signs of too much mercury?

Some one said "oh my god, you eat fish every day??". Now we're talking one piece of fish. Not a whole plate of fish.

I mean, I said to myself "if it's good enough for the Japanese and I don't hear about them coming down with Mercury Poisoning, right??"

Is fish every day a bad thing or a sensible thing. I do have chicken or a small dish of low carb pasta with tomato sauce on the other meal that does not include fish.

I don't have a lot of choices in my meal plan. I used to self medicate with food so I had to completely re-wire my brain and not go off in THAT direction. So what happened to me, is that I happen to like fish. I broil it with a little lemon and garlic and cajun seasoning. With veggies on the side.

But I'm kind of afraid of the mercury especially after what that person said to me.

Alan won't go near any kind of pork or ribs or meat. Or cold cuts, or anything curly. lol

Oh, I do Broiled or grilled chicken wraps for Alan (with tomato sauce on it).

His PSA went down from 3.0 to 2.72 (all that tomato sauce on his chicken)

Thanks much for all the GREAT information.

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Just got this off of the internet.

FOODS HIGH IN MAGNESIUM
Serving Size Magnesium (mg)
Beans, black 1 cup 120
Broccoli, raw 1 cup 22
Halibut 1/2 fillet 170
Nuts, peanuts 1 oz 64
Okra, frozen 1 cup 94
Oysters 3 oz 49
Plantain, raw 1 medium 66
Rockfish 1 fillet 51
Scallop 6 large 55
Seeds, pumpkin and squash 1 oz (142 seeds) 151
Soy milk 1 cup 47
Spinach, cooked 1 cup 157
Tofu 1/4 block 37
Whole grain cereal, ready-to-eat 3/4 cup 24
Whole grain cereal, cooked 1 cup 56
Whole wheat bread 1 slice 24

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WAY TO GO HALIBUT!!! lol

almonds...
 

3 ounces of unsalted almonds have 270mg of magnesium.

Yeah, I know ALL about almonds. Every single time I eat Almonds or any other kind of nut I don't go to the bathroom the next day. EVERY SINGLE TIME. I've done the comparisons. So I don't eat almonds. Or nuts.

Oh, guess what I just made (for the first time)? And I have no idea if this will have any magnesium BUT IT WILL HAVE FIBER in it.

I have ALL BRAN in the house. I had skim milk. I had the splenda/brown sugar mix. I had baking powder. I did not use salt (as the recipe suggested. I had the egg whites (or egg substitute).

so I made home-made bran muffins. I put some fresh blueberries on the top.

Just popped it in for 20 minutes. (oh yeah, a quarter cup of vegetable oil).

I told Alan.

This will either kill you or you'll love them!!

20 minutes to go!!!! lol

Mrs. D.

Just checked with Puritan's Pride.

They are having a buy one get two free.

Is this a good deal?? I think it is.

http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...CPID=1280&np=1

Yes it is a very good deal....however, you do not know how you will react to it. So keep that in mind too. Those tablets are really huge...maybe bigger than YOU have ever seen. You could break them,
which is what my son does.

React in what way? You mean as a laxative??

The Cal/Mag I have in the house now, well the magnesium dosage is 100 mg and they say to take 4 pills a day.

This one that's on sale at Puritan's...well, it's a higher dosage.

I gather it's a one a day pill.??????

I'm wondering what kind of side effect it might have. I haven't heard anything negative about this, have you?

thanks much.

Melody
P.S. I have spent the whole day (on and off), soaking my feet in the solution of Epsom Salts and cool water. I went out, came back and soaked it some more.

You can't over dose on this can you?? I just put about a half cup in a basin of water and stick my feet in it.

Potential reactions:

1) it won't work for you

2) the pill is too big to swallow

3) you get too loose with it.

The Puritan magmalate is a huge tablet and you only need
one a day ~~typically.
Some people may tolerate two a day.
They have 150mg of elemental magnesium in them. (more than most other supplements).

1. If it doesn't work - well it doesn't work!!!
2. The pill is too big to swallow.....I'll cut it in half!!
3. I'll get loose with it - HEAVEN!!!

lol

L O L
 

So go for it!

You're a hoot, Mel.

HOOT HOOT ---Thanks much!!!

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Mrs. D. I just ordered it. Shipping was only .76 cents because I received a promotion code in today's mail and it offered shipping for only .76 cents. You can't beat that. What a great deal.

I just looked up Malic Acid online.

Get a load of this.
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Malic acid is a natural substance found in fruit and vegetables - one of the richest sources being apples. It is also naturally present in your body's cells and large amounts of it are formed and then eventually broken down again on a daily basis.
It possesses many health-related benefits such as boosting immunity, maintaining oral health, reducing the risk of poisoning from a build-up of toxic metals and promoting smoother and firmer skin.

However, one of its most significant benefits lies in its ability to stimulate metabolism and increase energy production. This action is linked to the important role it plays in a process known as the Krebs cycle - named after Sir Hans Krebs, a German-born British biochemist.
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WANT TO KNOW WHAT SOLD ME?? The first line of the second paragraph.

IT BOOSTS METABOLISM!!!!

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! lol

I put magnesium cream in the search engine at iherb...and another cream popped up...seems like this "might" help with joint problems??? However, I think I might check out that mag. cream...sounds interesting

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=7515

Vowel Lady:

I made my own (as Mrs. D. suggested).

I took one teaspoon of Epsom Salts, added a bit of water, then I added Aquafor and made a paste. I keep it in a little dish. Every night I put some on my toes.

Haven't been woken up by cramping toes yet. I also soak my feet in epsom salts and water right before doing this.

My feet never looked cleaner (lol), and it really does help with muscle spasms.

Just wanted to share.

Melody

Let me know
 

how that MSM etc cream works. I'm always game to try.

I am having terrible spasms in my left toes lately. And only when I lie down.

I had a stomach bug over the weekend, (probably connected to my GI problem) so I could not take my magnesium as I do.
I also didn't eat much so my blood sugar was probably quite low. I almost fainted on an errand to the rock yard. It was raining when we left and cool, but by the time we got there (45min later) it had turned hot! There was a nice young man who helped me there and took over the lifting and carting of the flagstone we chose. Boy, I really felt elderly! :o
Last night those 2 toes tortured me. I finally gave in and took
the magnesium and decided if I was going to live in the bathroom that would be the lesser of the two evils.

I lucked out, and made it thru the night.

I am going to have to bring this up with the doctor in Sept.
It seems extreme for me all of a sudden.

Magnesium Sulfate cream side effects
 

Be careful with this. I had been using the cream on my son who is diagnosed with ADHD and LD. He did ok with it for a while using a very small amount (much less than the recommended dosage). One night I used a bit more than I had been using previously (still less than the recommended dosage) and he had a bad reaction to it. He got very sick to his stomach, almost vomited and had an asthma attack. It started 5-10 minutes after I applied the cream to his arm. The cream was from a very reputable company so I doubt there was anything wrong with it. When I looked up the side effects to oral magnesium sulfate, I was alarmed. I thought this cream was completely safe and harmless.

Hello,
I have been using the 100% chelated Magnesium Doctors Best brand, is this a good source of magnesium? Thanks

This one?

http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-H...ablets/15?at=0

Looks good to me.

How much do you take?

Hello Again,
I take 1 tablet 200mg mg, 1000mg l-lysine, 1300mg super primrose, 150mg benfotiamine, 588mg acetyl-l carnitine, 100mg r-lopoic acid, 5000iu d3, 50mg p-5-p, 2400 super omega 3-6-9, resveratrol plus, 200mg coq10, 1000mg vit c, 400iu vit e. The meds I take are 10mg Methadone 2times aday, 5mg finasteride for prostate, 12mg amitriptyline for sleep. After 6 years I have to use a wheel chair and spend most time on couch, when at rest I have very little pain, when using a walker my muscles are tight and sore and burn. Hopefully this will be my last summer here on earth. Thanks for your help. I have been diagnosed CIDP

There is a general concern about Bioperine... the pepper extract in some of Doctor's Best products that is there for enhancing absorption. The RX drugs we take are designed in doses to be absorbed WITHOUT enhancements. This is similar to the effects of grapefruit juice on many drugs. It is the same issue. The Bioperine may push more of the drug thru the membranes of the GI tract, leading to overdose situations or increased side effects.

I have seen reports that one needs up to 20mg of Bioperine to affect the RX drugs that people take. But I don't think that amount is proven yet. Tests have not been done on every drug.
But since amitriptyline and methadone are on the lists for potential problems with heart QT prolongation, I'd avoid the products that contain Bioperine.

So because you are on Methadone and amitriptyline, it would be a good idea to get a magnesium product that does not have the Bioperine in it, just to be safe.

"Anyone ever hear of this, and is this product (or any magnesium cream product), any good?"

I found some Epsom lotion at CVS drug store for $10 a bottle. It is a CVS stiore brand lotion.

I don't think it helps a lot, but I think it is worth a try when you compare costs of that lotion to other treatment methods.

I've not heard of this. I'll go get one and give it a try.

With any topical thing...one has to watch dosing. Follow directions on the package carefully.

The only other one I know commercially made is by Kirkman.
That one is 100mg/gram cream applied.

Thanks for the post. I'll try this on hubby too!;)

And I just came home from CVS. I wish I had read this post BEFORE I went to CVS.

I'll go back later and see about this epsom lotion.

Thanks much

this would be a BIG help over having to drag a basin of water, towels, etc.

Will update.

Well, guess what??

We can make our own epsom lotion.

I found this EXCELLENT instructional website

http://www.thegfcflady.com/2009/04/2...m-salt-lotion/

Yes, we have a person on my magnesium thread who made her own too.

The only downside is dosing. Making sure you get the right amount/ area applied.

I made some magnesium ointment once, using Aquaphor as a base. It seemed to work nicely, but I had a rebound effect the next day with MORE pain than I started with. This doesn't happen with oral or soaking.
I used the ointment on my right knee, and this was years ago.

So I never really pursued topical for myself after that or for others. I'll try the CVS product. It is only $10... which is not that much really. (if I can find it that is).

One thing to keep in mind is that epsom salts already have water added to the weight. If you look on the label it shows that.
So the amount of magnesium is less than you think by weight.

My hubby gets a stiff back where his shingles were. I'll try him first, and not use it every day...just in case there is a dosing issue.

I just bought the CVS cream on Friday, and used it last night.

It is very nice. It is a non -greasy formula which goes right into the skin.

There are no quantity directions on it however, or concentrations on the label of how much magnesium is in it.

This is what the bottle looks like and some information:
http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/sh...#Prodtabdetail

It was $10.49 in the store. (the online link must be an internet price only)

I also looked it up (topical magnesium on line) and found a link to the Peoples' Pharmacy... where there were some people who suggested that magnesium in lotion form takes down the redness of rosacea. Don't know if that is true for everyone. But keep away from the eyes, and only apply during the day just in case-- and wash off before going to bed-- if you try it so it doesn't rub off into your eyes during sleep.

I did sleep very well with it. I applied it on my wrists and did notice it prevented my arm numbness that I often get when I lay on my arms during sleep. ( I have carpal tunnel).
I did my ankles too, because of my left ankle pain, which is still there, but that may take repeated applications to see more effects..

I'll do this for a week each night and report at the end of the week any further gains.

So far I see relaxation, deeper sleep, less numbness, and some fluid removal from edema. It is too soon to tell what it will do further. But I do see it as useful for overall relaxation.

It is very unlike the Precise (from the makers of Tylenol) cream which I tried a while ago. Precise is very greasy, and inspite of the higher menthol level, it does not work as well as Biofreeze for burning.

This CVS lotion is very different in consistency... and more pleasant to use than Precise was. But so far it is not showing "cooling" dramatic effects. It is only providing magnesium to the tissues, which is a nutrient and not a "drug".

All in all I am pleased so far.
Thank, you JanuaryBabe for the suggestion. It remains to be seen if this lotion will help all types of PN (or for pain in general), but it IS a nice product and is doing something useful for me so far.

I'll take a walk there right now. Let's see if my local CVS has this product. Thanks much

It is in the first aid section.... where the Epsom Salts are kept, at least at our store, location.

Print out the product info...just in case if you have to show an employee for help finding it.