Mag/B6/ ADHD
 

Improvement of neurobehavioral disorders in children supplemented with magnesium-vitamin B6. I. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorders. PMID: 16846100 Mar 2006

Moreover, there were such biochemical alterations as a decrease of magnesium level in the plasma and erythrocytes and a reduction of Mg(2+)-ATPase activity. The use of MAGNE-B6 allowed us to correct many of the disturbances
[Neurological aspect of clinical symptoms, pathophysiology and correction in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder] PMID: 16548369 2006


CONCLUSION: This open study indicates that hyperexcitable children have low ERC-Mg with normal serum Mg(2+) values, and that Mg(2+)/vitamin B6 supplementation can restore normal ERC-Mg levels and improve their abnormal behavior.
Magnesium VitB6 intake reduces central nervous system hyperexcitabiliy in children.
PMID: 15466962 Oct 2004

Mag and B6
 

This was timely. I am still struggling with my son and his problems at school. You wouldn't have access to the full article, would you? I am curious as to what the dosage was.

Thank you,

Allison
Georgia

The first link listed the dosage used:

6 mg/kg/d Mg, 0.6 mg/kg/d vit-B6

Which translates to:

6 mg per kg of weight of the child a day of magnesium and .6 mg per kg of weight of the child a day of Vitamin B6

Rachel

Thank you "Dr." Rachel! I know we are all incredibly deficient in Mag/B vits and have been contemplating adding it to his nightly supplements. Bless his heart...he is tired of popping pills and fights me.

Allison
Georgia

I was curious about dosages, too. Just looking at the abstracts, the third one said 100 mg per day. I'm assuming that meant 100 mg of EACH per day? It didn't say anything about body weight. The second didn't mention dosage at all. I was kind of surprised to see in the first that the B6 was 10% of the Mg amount.

Tom has epilepsy. At one point, I asked his neuro about vitamin supplementation to try and prevent seizures. He said that magnesium and vit B6 were "calming to the brain" and recommended 50 mg each. (At the time, Tom was 30 pounds.) Those were the only two he mentioned. (Well, he also recommended a good multi-vitamin because Tom was taking an AED at the time. The B6 and Mg were above and beyond his usual recommendations.)

Sorry, I don't have access to the full text~

Cara

How much Mg to take?
 

The instructions from my chiropractor about Mg supplementation was to take as much as my body could tolerate. You know when you are taking too much because you will get loose stools. 600 to 800 mg is about my range - that's about 5 mg per pound. Split the dosage and take with meals.

I also liked the book "Healing ADD: The Breakthrough Program that allows you to see and heal the 6 types of ADD" by Daniel G. Amen. It has alternative healing suggestions for the different types of ADD. My husband is seriously ADD as well as his two kids. I've got ADD type tendencies that may be a result of either brain damage from childhood accidents or, I'm beginning to wonder, gut damage! I've been more focused lately, and it seems my brain fog is not as bad as it has been.

Claire

This is amazingly interesting! I am sending it to my sister...Grace

Magnesium types
 

Cara,
Do you remember Mrs.D's posts about Magesium? I know there are types of Magnesium that are not absorbed into the body and cause diarrea. And there are types that are absorbed. The neuropathy forum had this info on the old site. I can't remember for sure which was which.
Billye

We've lost so much in the old forums :(.

I know that Mag Ox is NOT the kind of magnesium to take. I can't remember what form mrsd suggests.

The doctor who helped set up my daughter's regimen told us to take Magnesium Glycinate.
Carlson has magnesium glycinate, although I have found it cheaper on other sites than on their own. There are a few other manufacturers as well, but you will have to look for it (like methylcobalamin and P5P... not always found at the grocery store).

Klaire lab has a P5P plus product that contains P5P plus magnesium glycinate. One stop shopping. This is actually the product that was recommended to us, and the capsules are nice and small. The Carlson labs magnesium glycinate are horse pills. You should be able to locate either by googling around a bit.

My mom's doctor had her on 800mg daily of magnesium oxide, and she was still showing up low. I gave her a bottle of the magnesium glycinate....and she did great with it. It was obviously better absorbed.

Cara

I think different people do well on different types of magnesium. The type of magnesium that works well for me is magnesium citrate. Magnesium glycinate didn't work as well for me, but does for others.

Claire

Now that you say it... I think magnesium citrate might be what mrsd recommends, too. She's coming home this weekend, but don't know whether she'll be posting much here.

For whatever its worth~
Medline on magnesium
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...di/202644.html

Cara

Hah! I went and checked Tom's vitamins. His B6 / Magnesium combination chewable from Kirkman Labs says (oxide / glycinate / citric) and his multivitamin says (oxide / glycinate). How's that for covering all the bases? Of course, it's probably in order from most to least, so the oxide version is probably dominant?

We go see the DAN! doctor Monday (yay!), so I'm waiting before making any other vitamin changes. (I'm kind of wondering if I should increase the amounts of some of these?)

ZINC / Malabsorption / diarrhea
 

MEDSCAPE (you need to register, but it's free)

Levels of Serum Zinc in Children With Enterocolitis and Chronic Malabsorption Syndrome May 2006

Given my older daughters known B6/zinc deficiency, I need to pay closer attention to this~

info on magnesium:
 

Hi everyone.... I was fixing my profile today, and decided to look in here.

Looks like a very valuable thread! jcc sent me that abstracted article before
my vacation. It parallels a study done in Poland, that I found a few years ago.

The difference here is that SERUM values are very misleading when it comes to magnesium...and this is the first paper I've seen (except for pediatric migraine papers on PubMed) that discuss other testing types!

Basically magnesium in the serum is not in the cells where it counts.

When you have multiple listings for magnesium in a product like
oxide/glycinate/citrate mentioned here, usually the oxide is predominate because it is cheap--- the others are listed to make you think you are getting more than you may be!

The most bioavailable is the lactate (newest research)... but any of the chelates will work for most people. The citrate can be very laxative..and it is actually citrate of magnesia which is a colonic irrigator used before many x-rays like kidney, some GI (lower). Used carefully in lower doses it may not be so devastating(or if one is prone to constipation).

I use SlowMag generic (MagDelay)--extended release-- or magnesium malate (but that upsets me sometimes). My preferred supplement is almonds in a snack. 3 ounces have about 270mg, with no upset.

Some drugs deplete magnesium, diarrhea does, and so do caffeine and RX diuretics.

If this board remains, I will request a Vitamin Deficiency forum. And then move my data over slowly to there. I am not sure where we are going here, or if the other board is going to become history. Only time will tell.

Until then, here is the updated version from Linus Pauling Institute
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocente...ium/index.html

Thanks for the clarification mrsd. I told you I have a lousy memory!

Cara