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Evonne 08-31-2008 03:58 PM

Question RE:Employment
 
I have a few concerns regarding my 'possible' PD stuff. Technically, I do not yet have a diagnosis that is 100%. When it comes time for me to apply for a job and take a drug test, I think it will be necessary for me to reveal any medications that I take. When I list my PD meds, is that something that I should have to explain? Do you think that will bring up concerns about whether or not I am capable of performing the CNA job that I want? Of course, I know that I am capable at this point and I am very much looking forward to my new career. I just don't want any future employers to look at me differently than they would any other prospective employee. It is not something that I want to reveal at all. I am just not quite sure how to handle this and would appreciate hearing from those of you that have a little more experience under your belts. As a matter of fact, I think I will post this question as a new post. I appreciate any responses.

Evonne

reverett123 08-31-2008 04:47 PM

Eldepryl
 
or selegeline or deprynl (all the same) will turn up positive for methamphetamine, or so I read somewhere long ago.

Evonne 08-31-2008 05:31 PM

My Meds
 
I am taking Zelepar(Selegiline) and Mirapex. I thought I should add this information just in case it is helpful.

libra 08-31-2008 08:52 PM

random drug testing
 
where I work they do random drug testing. I have been tested 2 times recently. I believe the drugs they are concerned about are alcohol, marijuana, narcotic pain killers, etc, but not medication used to treat specific conditions such as parkinsons. I told my boss I had parkinsons when I was diagnosed but I had been working here for awhile. In your case, since you haven't officially been diagnosed I would not volunteer that information at all unless asked. It should not effect your employment and ability to work hopefully for a long time. There are alot of people working with parkinsons, ms, and other conditions. More power to you. The work should keep you mentally stimulated and be good for you physically. I would be excited too if I were in your shoes. Good luck with your schooling.

jcitron 09-02-2008 11:06 AM

You brought up a good point, Evonne. It's up to you to decide.

But... we're covered under the ADA. Here's an article from the website:

http://www.udel.edu/CSC/disclosure.html

To Tell or Not to Tell: Disclosure...That is the Question

WHAT IS DISCLOSURE?
Disclosure is the process of informing a potential employer that you have a disability. Many people are unsure as to whether or not they should inform potential employers about their disabilities, and at what point it would be appropriate to disclose this information.

DO I HAVE TO TELL POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS ABOUT MY DISABILITY?You are not required to tell potential employers about your disability, and they cannot ask you about your condition. Disclosure is a personal choice dependent upon type of disability, how the disability will effect your work and your personal feelings. Explaining your disability and how it will effect your work is recommended, because most potential employers feel very positively towards those applicants whom they feel have been completely honest with them.

WHEN SHOULD I DISCLOSE MY DISABILITY?
There are several appropriate times to disclose your disability to a potential employer. You should decide when you would feel the most comfortable making this disclosure.
  • Application - Never state your disability under the health section of an employment application. This reinforces the stereotype that people with disabilities are unhealthy.
  • Resume - If you have had work experience (paid or volunteer) that is related to your disability, be sure to include it on your resume. However, never state your disability at the top of your resume, since this implies that you feel that it is a very important aspect of the job search process.
  • Cover Letter - Disclosing in a cover letter is appropriate, especially if your work experience clearly indicates that you have a disability. (See example). If you choose to disclose in your cover letter, you may want to staple the letter to the back of your resume so that the employer reads about your abilities before learning the specifics about your disability. Be aware that disclosing in a cover letter may lessen your chances of being granted an interview in some cases.
  • Interview Confirmation - Many people choose to disclose at this point. It would be very difficult for the employer to back out of the interview at this late time. Also, employers react more favorably to this type of disclosure than to the "shock" tactic. (See #5). When you call to confirm your interview, be sure to talk directly to the person who will be interviewing you.
(See example).

Interview - Some people do not disclose their disabilities, and simply show up at the interview, "shocking" the interviewer. This tactic is not recommended, since employers often feel unprepared, embarrassed, and even hostile. The first five minutes of the interview are the most important, and you do not want to spend them in uncomfortable silence.
No matter when you decide to disclose, you will want to present your disability in the most positive way possible. Make sure to discuss the following:

Disclose your disability - you do not need to go into extensive detail.
Describe your skills and specifically how you will do the job.
Show that you are aware of attitudinal barriers that you may encounter in an office, and be prepared to discuss how you make others feel more comfortable around you.

Mention that you do not expect special treatment.
Specify that you have references to verify your work experience upon request.

The most important aspect of disclosing your disability is presenting yourself as a problem-solver rather than a problem-creator. You are someone who can do the job and help work towards greater productivity. Above all, you can compete on equal terms with people who do not have disabilities.


DISCLOSING DURING THE INTERVIEW CONFIRMATION (SAMPLE)
Call to confirm the interview. Make sure to ask to speak directly with the person who will be conducting the interview.
Confirm the date, time, and location of the interview.
Disclose your disability. Example: "I want to be frank with you. I use a wheelchair because my legs are paralyzed as a result of an accident. However, I assure you that my disability will not effect my ability to work or my attendance record. I wanted to let you know about my disability in advance to avoid catching you off guard at the interview. Please feel free during the course of the interview to address any questions or concerns about how my disability might affect my work performance."
Close the conversation positively. "Thank you for your time. I am looking forward to meeting with you and discussing the possibilities for employment.

SAMPLE COVER LETTER FOR DISCLOSURE
Harold Stone
113 Bay St.
Tuckahoe, NJ 08003


Ms. Elizabeth Trent
Personnel Director
Mann Industries, Inc.
2356 Sutter Pike
Ritter, NJ 08836


Dear Ms. Trent,

I am responding to your advertisement for an assistant in your finance department. As I have stated on my resume, I graduate with a B.S. in Business, with a concentration in finance. I worked as an intern at Dean Witter, Inc. for the duration of my senior year.

In addition to my experience at Dean Witter, Inc., I have worked as a volunteer leader at the YMCA of Tuckahoe for the past three years. I feel that this experience has helped me learn how to work effectively with others in a supervisory capacity.

I wish to be honest with you. I have used a wheelchair since my tenth birthday, due to an automobile accident. My disability does not interfere in any way with my ability to perform the skills needed in a finance department. I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have concerning this matter.

I hope that I will have the opportunity to meet with you to discuss my qualifications for this position. I will call you in a few days to arrange an interview at a mutually convenient time.

Sincerely,



Harold Stone
Enclosure

Evonne 09-02-2008 05:19 PM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcitron (Post 360042)
You brought up a good point, Evonne. It's up to you to decide.

But... we're covered under the ADA. Here's an article from the website:

http://www.udel.edu/CSC/disclosure.html

To Tell or Not to Tell: Disclosure...That is the Question

WHAT IS DISCLOSURE?
Disclosure is the process of informing a potential employer that you have a disability. Many people are unsure as to whether or not they should inform potential employers about their disabilities, and at what point it would be appropriate to disclose this information.

DO I HAVE TO TELL POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS ABOUT MY DISABILITY?You are not required to tell potential employers about your disability, and they cannot ask you about your condition. Disclosure is a personal choice dependent upon type of disability, how the disability will effect your work and your personal feelings. Explaining your disability and how it will effect your work is recommended, because most potential employers feel very positively towards those applicants whom they feel have been completely honest with them.

WHEN SHOULD I DISCLOSE MY DISABILITY?
There are several appropriate times to disclose your disability to a potential employer. You should decide when you would feel the most comfortable making this disclosure.
  • Application - Never state your disability under the health section of an employment application. This reinforces the stereotype that people with disabilities are unhealthy.
  • Resume - If you have had work experience (paid or volunteer) that is related to your disability, be sure to include it on your resume. However, never state your disability at the top of your resume, since this implies that you feel that it is a very important aspect of the job search process.
  • Cover Letter - Disclosing in a cover letter is appropriate, especially if your work experience clearly indicates that you have a disability. (See example). If you choose to disclose in your cover letter, you may want to staple the letter to the back of your resume so that the employer reads about your abilities before learning the specifics about your disability. Be aware that disclosing in a cover letter may lessen your chances of being granted an interview in some cases.
  • Interview Confirmation - Many people choose to disclose at this point. It would be very difficult for the employer to back out of the interview at this late time. Also, employers react more favorably to this type of disclosure than to the "shock" tactic. (See #5). When you call to confirm your interview, be sure to talk directly to the person who will be interviewing you.
(See example).

Interview - Some people do not disclose their disabilities, and simply show up at the interview, "shocking" the interviewer. This tactic is not recommended, since employers often feel unprepared, embarrassed, and even hostile. The first five minutes of the interview are the most important, and you do not want to spend them in uncomfortable silence.
No matter when you decide to disclose, you will want to present your disability in the most positive way possible. Make sure to discuss the following:

Disclose your disability - you do not need to go into extensive detail.
Describe your skills and specifically how you will do the job.
Show that you are aware of attitudinal barriers that you may encounter in an office, and be prepared to discuss how you make others feel more comfortable around you.

Mention that you do not expect special treatment.
Specify that you have references to verify your work experience upon request.

The most important aspect of disclosing your disability is presenting yourself as a problem-solver rather than a problem-creator. You are someone who can do the job and help work towards greater productivity. Above all, you can compete on equal terms with people who do not have disabilities.


DISCLOSING DURING THE INTERVIEW CONFIRMATION (SAMPLE)
Call to confirm the interview. Make sure to ask to speak directly with the person who will be conducting the interview.
Confirm the date, time, and location of the interview.
Disclose your disability. Example: "I want to be frank with you. I use a wheelchair because my legs are paralyzed as a result of an accident. However, I assure you that my disability will not effect my ability to work or my attendance record. I wanted to let you know about my disability in advance to avoid catching you off guard at the interview. Please feel free during the course of the interview to address any questions or concerns about how my disability might affect my work performance."
Close the conversation positively. "Thank you for your time. I am looking forward to meeting with you and discussing the possibilities for employment.

SAMPLE COVER LETTER FOR DISCLOSURE
Harold Stone
113 Bay St.
Tuckahoe, NJ 08003


Ms. Elizabeth Trent
Personnel Director
Mann Industries, Inc.
2356 Sutter Pike
Ritter, NJ 08836


Dear Ms. Trent,

I am responding to your advertisement for an assistant in your finance department. As I have stated on my resume, I graduate with a B.S. in Business, with a concentration in finance. I worked as an intern at Dean Witter, Inc. for the duration of my senior year.

In addition to my experience at Dean Witter, Inc., I have worked as a volunteer leader at the YMCA of Tuckahoe for the past three years. I feel that this experience has helped me learn how to work effectively with others in a supervisory capacity.

I wish to be honest with you. I have used a wheelchair since my tenth birthday, due to an automobile accident. My disability does not interfere in any way with my ability to perform the skills needed in a finance department. I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have concerning this matter.

I hope that I will have the opportunity to meet with you to discuss my qualifications for this position. I will call you in a few days to arrange an interview at a mutually convenient time.

Sincerely,



Harold Stone
Enclosure

Thanks, John! I found all of this information very helpful. I wish I would have read it earlier today. I hope that I didn't make a mistake. I actually spoke with the nurse that is teaching my CNA class this afternoon. First, I mentioned that if employment is offered at the end of this class, I am aware that I will need to pass a drug test. Then, I told her that one of the medications that I take, Selegiline, will show up as an amphetamine. She told me that as long as it is prescribed by a doctor, that is not a problem. I also told her that the reason I am taking that medication is because I am being treated for a movement disorder, most likely PD. She seemed surprised and told me that she was sorry to hear that. I asked her if, in her opinion, I would be able to perform the duties of a CNA and be employed. She said,"Yes." I told her that I am doing good on my meds and that I function very well. I told her that I hoped that what I revealed didn't change anything regarding how she sees me or affect any future opportunities. She replied, "Absolutely not!" I explained that I feel that honesty is the best policy and that I just wanted to get it out in the open. She kind of chuckled and said that it would have been strange to have my drug test come back positive for Amphetamines without knowing about my meds. Guess that is a good thing...I don't fit the mold for a meth head!

I guess only time will tell if I made the right decision or not. I have to say, it feels like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders...that is a good thing!

Curious 09-02-2008 05:48 PM

Evonne, as an employer, I can say it is best to be told. :hug:

In an emergancy situation, having that information can be a life saver.

Accidents happen that have nothing to do with an illness. Knowing what info to pass on to EMT's is very important. I have been there with an employee who was taking several RX's. It was a good thing I knew what she was taking.

Floridagal 09-02-2008 07:37 PM

informing your potential employer
 
Dear Evonne,
Your posts have really touched a nerve for me because two and a half years ago when I was hired at my health care position I chose not to tell them I had been diagnosed with PD a year before. I was afraid that I would be discriminated against. Having worked a long time in the health care field (for 26 years) I thought having a disability that was seen as very debilitating would be detrimental to my employment. To make it even worse I was asked to disclose if I had one of about 3 rare diseases, and yes, Parkinson's disease. I did NOT want to lie, But I did. The form asked me to sign saying I didn't have the illness, and also if I needed any help for a disability, AND if I didn't tell the truth I'd be in big trouble, Like fired I think. I did not get their free health insurance. I plan to never use the disabilty insurance that was included with my employment. Today, it gets harder and harder to hide this illness, but in looking back, I do think I made the right decision for me, but some days it is so HARD to keep on keeping on. I cannot look ill, I have to stay upbeat, be very competent, Do my job really well so nobody thinks I'm ill. You have avoided those consequences of not disclosing and I applaud your honesty! All the best Evonne, in your job quest! Way to go! FG

Evonne 09-02-2008 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floridagal (Post 360328)
Dear Evonne,
Your posts have really touched a nerve for me because two and a half years ago when I was hired at my health care position I chose not to tell them I had been diagnosed with PD a year before. I was afraid that I would be discriminated against. Having worked a long time in the health care field (for 26 years) I thought having a disability that was seen as very debilitating would be detrimental to my employment. To make it even worse I was asked to disclose if I had one of about 3 rare diseases, and yes, Parkinson's disease. I did NOT want to lie, But I did. The form asked me to sign saying I didn't have the illness, and also if I needed any help for a disability, AND if I didn't tell the truth I'd be in big trouble, Like fired I think. I did not get their free health insurance. I plan to never use the disabilty insurance that was included with my employment. Today, it gets harder and harder to hide this illness, but in looking back, I do think I made the right decision for me, but some days it is so HARD to keep on keeping on. I cannot look ill, I have to stay upbeat, be very competent, Do my job really well so nobody thinks I'm ill. You have avoided those consequences of not disclosing and I applaud your honesty! All the best Evonne, in your job quest! Way to go! FG

FG,

Thanks for your encouraging words. As I said, only time will tell if I did the right thing or not. I do feel pretty good about it, but I am a little scared that it might backfire on me!

I am sorry that you feel like you have to put on a front at work when you are not feeling well. I know how it feels to feel bad and have to go on just like an ordinary person. On top of PD, I am also a type 1 diabetic. It is a real roller coaster ride some days! I totally relate to it being hard just to keep on keeping on. There are mornings when I feel so stiff, achy, rigid and shaky. I sometimes ask myself what in the world am I doing??? The reality is that I don't know what I would be doing if I weren't doing this. I have had days when I didn't even want to get out of bed and face the world. PD is a pretty devastating thing to be facing. The nature of the disease is ugly, but it is reality and I accept it. My goal from this point on in my life is to make the most of each day that I am able to do the things that I want to do. I am grateful for all of the blessings in my life and I hope to be able to be a blessing to others. FG, you are in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there!

Evonne

jcitron 09-03-2008 03:22 PM

Evonne,

I don't think you made a mistake. As long as you don't make a big deal out of it, the job interview and subsequent job should go fine. Remember stay positive, keep the ol' chin up and smile.

I'm out looking for a new job too because I don't know how long mine will last. We're here on a month-to-month basis. I have great insurance benefits now so I don't want to fight with or bite the hand that feeds me, but at the same time I have to do what's right. In the mean time, I interview in my spare time, and work every day with a smile and dedication like I've always had.

Good luck,

John

Jim091866 09-10-2008 08:48 AM

Hello URGENT
 
IF you think you have PD but are not taking meds for it and have not seen a doctor for it get a LTD policy and incresae your life inusrance.. You won't be able to after its on paper. mirapex can be explained on restless leg, get it and let them prove you;re not eligible.

Jim091866 09-10-2008 08:50 AM

more...
 
Believe me its all in how you play the game and I'm in it for my family that's it. I'm not doing anything fraudulent but i certainly don't make it available to them.

Evonne 09-11-2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim0918 (Post 365427)
IF you think you have PD but are not taking meds for it and have not seen a doctor for it get a LTD policy and incresae your life inusrance.. You won't be able to after its on paper. mirapex can be explained on restless leg, get it and let them prove you;re not eligible.

Jim,
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, the Mirapex isn't the problem. The Selegiline is the one that shows up as Methamphetamine on a drug test, so it has to be revealed. I already regret telling them that I was being evaluated for a movement disorder, most likely PD. It is a long story, and I can't go into it right now. I will try to write more later.
Thanks,
Evonne

Rohm 12-27-2008 11:42 PM

Ada
 
Hi!

Be familiar with ADA (American s with Disabilities Act) supplemented with consultations with local EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) officers. EEOC enforces ADA and, when warranted, can initiate legal action.

ADA covers the employment hiring process and employer providing reasonable accommodations to current employees with disabilities.

Do a google search for ADA and EEOC - and locate local offices.

A similar thread is found in Myasthenia Gravis tread (re employment).

Rohm.

girija 12-28-2008 06:29 PM

Evonne,
I agree with John, I donot think you made a mistake. A few months after PD diagnosis, I chose to be open about it with friends, family, colleagues who I interact with and my boss too. That decision decreased my anxiety. I could be myself, a bit slow or slight tremor or whatever I was experiencing that moment.

Its 5 years now after my diagnosis, my symptoms are more visible and I am dependent on meds. I recently changed my job, I did tell my boss about PD and that I am on medication, but after the interview and when he informally offered the job.

Just as John said, I donot make a big deal out of it, do not ask for any special treatment and go on with my business as usual, well a bit slow these days. it is 5 months since I started my new job and two weeks ago my boss brings me a brochure on nutritional supplements for PD which his neighbor is marketing. Thats all the talk about PD at work.

Being open and honest about PD helped a lot at work, mainly because I donot have to put up a front and i can be myself. My work keeps me active, engaged and keeps my brain functional!! Got to protect those few neurons left in there!!

Girija

girija

ol'cs 12-28-2008 07:11 PM

Evonne- Don't say a damn thing. Why offer information you don't HAVE TO? YOu are not formally DX'ed. Get off the Selegiline, they will pick it up as meth, if they test. They WON"T hire you if they know that you have or may have PD. We are walking around with a message branded on our heads. the message says.
IN THE NEXT SIX TO TEN (MORE OR LESS) YEARS, I AM GOING TO COST MY EMPLOYER (OR THEIR INSURANCE CARRIER) BIG BUCKS.
This has been verified. I know that it seems a bit sneaky, but you deserve to be protected and unless they come out and ask you if you have PD, you are noy "lying" about anything. Get that job, get long term care insurance, and erase all your posts and hav ethe moderator erase all replies. YOu will do your best for as long as you can , but then there will come a "Day of reckoning", and by gobs , you'll need all the help that you can get.

aquario 12-28-2008 09:29 PM

employment
 
If it does come up, you might mention that Janet Reno served as US Attorney General for 6 years after being diagnosed with pd. That particular cabinet position has enormous administrative responsibilities and she managed all of it with considerable skill. And she's still out there 15 years later giving speeches and representing the community in a most positive fashion.

Jon


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