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tovaxin_lab_rat 10-18-2008 11:45 AM

Severe calf spasms
 
Last night I had two severe calf muscle spasms that were without a doubt the worst I have ever had. I couldn't get the second one to release for almost an hour.

When I tried to get out of bed this morning, my leg would not hold my weight. I looked down at my right calf and it is bruised. I have a bruise about 5 inches in diameter mid-calf.


I hobbled around the house this morning getting ready for work and my foot kept spasming and warm water helped.

I talked to my neighbor, who is a doctor, and he said heat. And stay off it as much as I can today. So, as soon as I get finished with an MS function today, it's home for me.

OUCH....

weegot5kiz 10-18-2008 12:02 PM

you think double checking to make sure its not a clot? might be a good idea? or are you sure and its happened b4? be careful

I never knew spasm could cause black and blue marks, hope its nothing, just be safe

lady_express_44 10-18-2008 12:17 PM

Things get much worse for me in colder weather.

Heat and EASY stretching exercises are the two things that help the most for me, Cheryl. It usually takes a few weeks before I notice a difference when doing nightly exercises . . . but they work every time (so far).

Cherie

Snoopy 10-18-2008 12:24 PM

Cheryl, If I remember correctly you have Klonopin? Did you try taking some?

The dorctor was right. I use heat this time of year. I wore out my last electric throw blanket and bought a new one online at JCPennys about a month ago.

Muscle spasms hurt, no doubt about it. Hope your doing better soon :hug:

ewizabeth 10-18-2008 12:35 PM

Cheryl,

I hope you'll get this checked out at the doctor's office. Try to take it easy if you can. Have you been overdoing it with the new business? I know that my legs get very bad if I do too much. Keep us posted. :hug:

MSCherokee 10-18-2008 01:58 PM

Aw Cheryl, spasms are the worst. Never heard of one so severe that it would leave you bruised!

I take Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) for my muscle spasms and it seems to do the trick, I just can't take it and plan on doing anything for hours, so I take it when needed before bed. ;)

SallyC 10-18-2008 03:51 PM

Awwywww Cheryl...I sorry..:(

A bruise???? Yes, be sure and check, to make sure it is not a clot!!!

Feel Better..:hug:

Twinkletoes 10-18-2008 04:13 PM

Oweeeeeee! Wow, hard to believe that would leave a nasty bruise!

Yep, I think you should get it checked out, too, just in case. I know you are tough, but do it anyway. :)

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-18-2008 04:48 PM

Cherie, sometimes the cold weather bothers me, but it hasn't been that cold here. Although, the new shop is COLD. I have been doing a lot of walking lately ....

Snoopy, yes I take Klonopin and Sinemet. I have reduced the Klonopin from 1.5 to 1.0 and I have noticed that the spasms have increased in frequency, but this is first time I have noticed the increase in severity. I have one of those electric throws as well! I love it!!! It is wrapped around my leg right now!

Yeah, Wiz...working more hours than I probably should be...staying in bed for the rest of today and tomorrow.

Yes, there is a definite bruise on my calf. Think I am going to take a picture of it for the Clinical Trial Doc...he never seems to believe me about stuff that happens anymore and I am most definitely going to send them an email about this...

If I am not better tomorrow, I am going to the ER. Or at least have my neighbor look at it.

Thanks everyone:hug:...I think adjusting to the "not being on anything" but symptom management meds right now is an adjustment for me...:confused::rolleyes: And I have to get permission to take anything that I am not already on so I can't play around with meds...

I will get this checked if I don't get better. Bruising with a muscle cramp is not normal. :(

NurseNancy 10-18-2008 05:21 PM

owwwweeeee cheryl,

it's too bad you can't self medicate.
watch that you don't do too long with the heat around your leg.
20" on, 20" off. you can dry your muscle out.

or, if you have a really warm moist towel, that's good. moist heat is better than dry.

i sure hope this improves for you.

weegot5kiz 10-18-2008 05:47 PM

good idea Judy, microwave the towel heats it up real well be careful not too hot

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-18-2008 05:54 PM

Thanks good idea. :hug:

SandyC 10-18-2008 06:31 PM

Cheryl, I am sorry for just seeing this. I hope you get some relief. The bruising doesn't sound right unless you broke a vein somehow while walking or standing too much. I broke one in my leg and it hurt like the dickens. It burned like crazy too.

Whatever it is I hope your better fast! I say go with moist heat. :)

watsonsh 10-18-2008 08:30 PM

:hug::hug::hug: I think mints might help. :D Just checking in on ya.

COmputer is down at home so call if you need anything.

lady_express_44 10-18-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 390824)
Cherie, sometimes the cold weather bothers me, but it hasn't been that cold here. Although, the new shop is COLD. I have been doing a lot of walking lately ....:(

We have similar weather patterns (only a few hours apart on the same coast) . . . and my body thinks it is too COLD. Actually, anything under 60 degrees, especially if it's raining, is TOO cold for me. It's been like that a lot over the last few weeks, even if it does warm up during the day.

Walking is great, but can also exacerbate spasticity for me. I can hardly walk at all in the winter. Stretching is the best exercise.

Cherie

Gazelle 10-19-2008 08:26 AM

Well, my friend, I've had bruising like that too from a really bad muscle spasm--but it only happened twice ever for me. That was back in 2003 when I was getting spasms where it felt like the muscle was ripping off the bone.

:hug::hug:

I feel for ya.

And WHO told you you were working to much and had to be careful????? :rolleyes:

Warm, damp compress would be good. Have you considered an epsom salt bath?

Hope you get some relief.

Victor H 10-19-2008 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 390701)
Last night I had two severe calf muscle spasms that were without a doubt the worst I have ever had. I couldn't get the second one to release for almost an hour.

When I tried to get out of bed this morning, my leg would not hold my weight. I looked down at my right calf and it is bruised. I have a bruise about 5 inches in diameter mid-calf.


I hobbled around the house this morning getting ready for work and my foot kept spasming and warm water helped.

I talked to my neighbor, who is a doctor, and he said heat. And stay off it as much as I can today. So, as soon as I get finished with an MS function today, it's home for me.

OUCH....



I am so sorry about this, Cheryl.:hug:

-Vic

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-19-2008 12:03 PM

I had a couple more spasms last night, but they weren't as bad as the night before. I had my calf wrapped in warm moist towels off and on during the night and it did help. This morning my right leg is so stiff I feel like Frankenstein walking!

Bath? Me? Surely you jest!!!

Thanks for all the suggestions. I did up the klonopin last night.

Riverwild 10-19-2008 12:57 PM

Flygirl! :hug:
I feel for you, truly I do! I never got any bruises from spasms but sometimes it feels like it could rip a vein! I swear it gets bad enough for me to just want to rip the offending leg OFF and get it over with...GRRR

I hope you find something that works to ease your pain! Remember what our Mary said now: "better living through chemistry!" Manage those symptoms with some good drugs!

:D Need a brownie? :p

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-19-2008 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverwild (Post 391414)
Flygirl! :hug:
I feel for you, truly I do! I never got any bruises from spasms but sometimes it feels like it could rip a vein! I swear it gets bad enough for me to just want to rip the offending leg OFF and get it over with...GRRR

I hope you find something that works to ease your pain! Remember what our Mary said now: "better living through chemistry!" Manage those symptoms with some good drugs!

:D Need a brownie? :p

Brownies???

I am going to stay with the higher dose of klonopin for a few days and the heating pad off and on. I am also going to take my space heater to the shop. It's freezing in there and we don't have control of the temperature.

I am thinking that the increase in walking I am doing, the drop in temperature, and decreasing the klonopin (and maybe some additional work related stress) are beginning to catch up with me.

Spasticity is one of my symptoms that has been hard to manage. Does anyone ever really manage it? I can't take any of the usual meds and Sinemet does work but...who knows what else is going on!

Today I am also noticing my hands don't want to do what I want them to...

erinhermes 10-19-2008 02:27 PM

I may sound totally ignorant here, b/c I do not have MS, I have MG, but when my meds, etc., caused terrible muscle spasms, my neuro recommended potassium. Again, I do not know a whole lot about MS, but am hoping that (maybe) this will help!

Did your neuro want to do a doppler on your leg? When I had my calf problems, he was worried about blood clots and made me go in that day............

Hope this helps!
Take care!:D
Erin

braingonebad 10-19-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lady_express_44 (Post 390978)
. . . and my body thinks it is too COLD.


Same here. It may get up to 65, but my bones are saying it's October, and it's cold out there somewhere.



Erin - that's not a bad idea, potassium.

*sprinkling a bit in Flygirl's brownies*


I think you're right about stuff catching up with you. If you don't want to go back up on the meds, can you try cinamon or ginger? Once I get to my med limit if I still have problems, I'll do one or the other of those and they help.

Good luck.

Taffy 10-19-2008 04:35 PM

:eek::eek::eek:

I will get leg spasms in the am, but nothing like that and not that long.

Holy freak'n cow!:eek:

Say...have you been eating you bananas and drinking your OJ?

Glad to hear you will be in touch with your Clinical Trial Doc.

Let me know what they think.

Try to rest!:hug:

(eat a banana)

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-19-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taffy (Post 391578)
:eek::eek::eek:

I will get leg spasms in the am, but nothing like that and not that long.

Holy freak'n cow!:eek:

Say...have you been eating you bananas and drinking your OJ?

Glad to hear you will be in touch with your Clinical Trial Doc.

Let me know what they think.

Try to rest!:hug:

(eat a banana)

I do eat my bananas...not oj tho...doesn't agree with me. But I drink a lot of cranberry juice.

Taffy 10-19-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 391596)
I do eat my bananas...not oj tho...doesn't agree with me. But I drink a lot of cranberry juice.

:eek:I thought you was going to say you mixed OJ and something to make something. :Scratch-Head:I think there is something out there like that!

Yep....orange juice.. can give me hives! (itchy....itchy!)

Gazelle 10-19-2008 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 391362)
Bath? Me? Surely you jest!!!

Stop calling me Shirley!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverwild (Post 391414)
:D Need a brownie? :p


Are YOU KIDDING??? :eek::eek::eek::eek: The woman's allergic to EVERYTHING (including special ingredient brownies)!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 391429)
Brownies???


Betty Crocker made by the package instructions ONLY! (unless you're adding extra chocolate chips)


:D:D

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-19-2008 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazelle (Post 391707)
Stop calling me Shirley!

can't call you anything if you don't call me back! .... tapping foot waiting....



Quote:


Are YOU KIDDING??? :eek::eek::eek::eek: The woman's allergic to EVERYTHING (including special ingredient brownies)!!!!




Betty Crocker made by the package instructions ONLY! (unless you're adding extra chocolate chips)


:D:D
I have scones and lemon bars...no brownies!

Gazelle 10-19-2008 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 391712)
can't call you anything if you don't call me back! .... tapping foot waiting....


Oh I'm SURE that's never stopped you from calling me things. :D


Gimme a chance. I ate dinner, watched NCIS, and am now gonna brush my teef. You don't wanna talk to me with soup breath now, do you?

;)

DM 10-19-2008 07:54 PM

OUCH FG!!!!

I get leg cramps/spasms in my R leg and they are so painful, but I've never had bruising. Please don't mess around and self DX yourself. I say, Get thyself to the Dr if it's not considerably better in the morn.

SMACK!

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 09:47 AM

No cramps last night. Leg is still very sore from the previous two nights and I am not going into the shop today. Yes, you all heard that right. :p

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 01:41 PM

I emailed the doc. I received a reply. An rx for Baclofen. LOL! My reply back was I cannot take it nor Zanaflex. Waiting for a response. He wanted me to take 5mg 3 times a day...woohoo! That means I get to sleep all day long! Just call me Zombie FG!!!

Hmmm...I do have a wallpapering job I need to do! :eek::D

She called me...:D Guess they are looking for some alternative. I am just a challenge! :rolleyes:

MSCherokee 10-20-2008 02:46 PM

Aw, I hope the doc can find an alternative med you can take to get some relief!

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 03:13 PM

We are going to try Klonopin .25mg twice during the day, 6 hours apart in addition to the 1.0 mg that I already take at night.

watsonsh 10-20-2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 392345)
I am just a challenge! :rolleyes:

I thought you said they were stupid...sound pretty smart to me :p

Hope that spasm and bruise get better! :hug:

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelley (Post 392455)
I thought you said they were stupid...sound pretty smart to me :p

Hope that spasm and bruise get better! :hug:

Watch it Shappy! :p

Got new drugs coming! :D

watsonsh 10-20-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Av8rgirl (Post 392459)
Watch it Shappy! :p

Got new drugs coming! :D

Thats HRH Shappy to you....got a title change see below! :D

SandyC 10-20-2008 05:00 PM

Let us know how this new dosage helps. I am going to ask Jim's doc about Klonopin and Sinemet. Your our test patient. lol

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyC (Post 392549)
Let us know how this new dosage helps. I am going to ask Jim's doc about Klonopin and Sinemet. Your our test patient. lol


FG the Lab Rat!! :D

tovaxin_lab_rat 10-20-2008 06:49 PM

I have an appt with my regular neuro here at home tomorrow! Yippee!!!

Taffy 10-20-2008 07:36 PM

:smileypray: Please no wallpapering!

Oh.. Shappy, what is HRH?:confused:


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