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erinhermes 11-18-2008 10:35 AM

Bad experience with PICC line placement!!!
 
Hello all!

Last night was a nightmare! Apparently my right arm is "used up" - no good veins @ all! THe lady tried for 2.5 hours to place a PICC line and just wasn't able to - AUGH!!!!!!

Now my right arm had track marks all up and down it!!!!

On the positive side, my left side has a few good veins left, and she was able to place the line in under 10 minutes!

It truly was a "worst case" scenario for a person who is terrified of needles!!!

We were there for about 10 hours last night, but hopefully 2night will be better!

Talk to you soon!
Erin:D

kristy 11-18-2008 05:08 PM

Ouch!!!!
 
Hey Erin,
That is TERRIBLE about your veins.
Hope tonight is better for you.

Kristy

Gabe 11-19-2008 08:26 AM

Hi Erin -
Sorry to hear about the trouble with your PICC line. I get IVIG every three weeks - finally hada permanent port placed in my chest wall about 1 1/2 years ago. When I first had IVIG they used the veins in my arms and hands until they couldn't - then suggested a port. It took a long time for me to agree to it - felt like another concession to this disease that I didn't want to make. Now I can honestly say it was one of the better choices I have made. It takes them about 10 seconds to access the port and hook me up for my infusions. It is under my skin so not as much risk of infection. Not sure how often you will have to get IVIG but if it turns into something long term it might be something to consider.
Gabe

erinhermes 11-19-2008 12:13 PM

Hello Kristy and Gabe!
 
Thank you guys so much for responding! I really appreciate it!

Last night was a lot better (for obvious reasons).......:D, of course I was a little late due to traffic and my neuro was already walking the halls looking for me - not fun! I felt like I was in grade school again!:D

I do realize that time is of the essence where IV IG is concerned and told him that I would be there @ 6:00 come hell or high water.........

The nurses @ the Methodist are so sweet! They really love their jobs and it shows! It is a great hospital to go to - if you have to go!!!

Gabe - are you still on steroids or are you exempt cuz' of the IV IG? Do you take Mestinon? Cellcept? I would gladly trade steroids for rounds of IV IG!!!
My doc doesnt want to have a perm port put in just yet - my hema does though - it's all so confusing!!!! All I DO know is that my veins that used to be so great are all dried up and useless.........Did it hurt when they put your port in? Did it leave a big scar? How long ago were you diagnosed? Did you have your thymus removed? I'm sorry for all the questions, but there are so few people that have MG and I'm still a newbie with all of this!!!!!

Kristy - how are you today? Are you feeling better? I know you were weak before, but have you gotten any of your strength back? Do you have a support system? Do you have any children? I have one - he's 16............

Again, thank you for responding! I'd love to hear form you both when you have time!!!!

:hug:Erin:hug:

Gabe 11-20-2008 09:54 AM

Hi Erin -
In April of 2004 I was having a great deal of difficulty swallowing - had Optic Neuritis in my right eye the previous October - Went to my primary doctor and was referred for MRI's to rule out MS - MRIs were normal so she did more tests. I was diagnosed by an antibody test by my primary doctor in June of 2004 she sent me to a neurologist who confirmed the diagnosis with another series of antibody tests but then sent me to a specialist at the University of MN because he was concerned that i might have ALS or MS rather than Myasthenia Gravis. He put me on Prednisone and Mestinon in July of 2004 and I saw the neurologist at the U in October of 2004. He did some more blood work and a Single Fiber EMG but I was on Prednisone and Mestinon at the time so all of the tests were normal. He then admitted me and took me off the meds for three days and repeated the tests - the SFEMG was wacky but not conclusive.

My regular neurologist said that the Prednisone would have still been in my system (was on 60mg a day at the time) so he wasn't happy with the U of M findings. He referred me to Mayo Clinic - took a long time to get in but was finally officially diagnosed by the neurologist at Mayo Clinic in January of 2006. I had a thymectomy in the Spring of 2006. Was on Imuran and Prednisone but apparently had an inability to metabolize it and my liver functions were off the charts - switched to CellCept a year ago in November and take 3000mg a day - I am off the Prednisone because I developed Osteoporosis and my blood sugars and cholesterol were elevated. I started getting IVIG in the Spring of 2006 and have been receiving it every 2-4 weeks for the most part. My veins couldn't take it - IVIG is very hard on your veins.

The port is about the size of a quarter. they made a slit about 1 inch long to put it in. Compared to my thymectomy scar it is nothing - in fact the scar from my chest tube from the thymectomy is bigger.
Gabe

erinhermes 11-20-2008 11:13 AM

Hi Gabe!
 
Gabe! Thanks so much for sharing your story! MG is such a tricky disease! For me, it took being so weak that I wasn't able to breathe on 3 different occasions to finally see my dr (who referred me to my neuro) to be diagnosed.

By the time I was finally diagnosed, my antibodies were @ 600 - really high (according to my neuro)....................It was the scariest time of my life. I truly thought I was going nuts! :(

I hadn't even HEARD of MG @ the time..............

I thought it was so funny that you told me to drink lots of fluids after IV IG, cuz' when I get home, I drink about 30 oz. of milk/juice/whatever and am parched! Granted, I still "drink" with a spoon (palette issues) but am able to swallow - golly that feels good!!!!!:D

I am thinking about having a permanent port put in - I think it will really help with future IV IG. I have track marks up and down my arms, and scratches from the last round of PICC line placement..........

I hope you don't mind my asking, but how old are you? I have heard that MG usually affects women between 20-40 and men over 60 - is that true?
Do you have night sweats? Now that my prednisone is back @ 20 mgs, I wake up just miserable!

I'm going back in all this week for more rounds of IV IG, and feel pretty dran good today!!!!:D

Take care!
Erin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 411462)
Hi Erin -
In April of 2004 I was having a great deal of difficulty swallowing - had Optic Neuritis in my right eye the previous October - Went to my primary doctor and was referred for MRI's to rule out MS - MRIs were normal so she did more tests. I was diagnosed by an antibody test by my primary doctor in June of 2004 she sent me to a neurologist who confirmed the diagnosis with another series of antibody tests but then sent me to a specialist at the University of MN because he was concerned that i might have ALS or MS rather than Myasthenia Gravis. He put me on Prednisone and Mestinon in July of 2004 and I saw the neurologist at the U in October of 2004. He did some more blood work and a Single Fiber EMG but I was on Prednisone and Mestinon at the time so all of the tests were normal. He then admitted me and took me off the meds for three days and repeated the tests - the SFEMG was wacky but not conclusive.

My regular neurologist said that the Prednisone would have still been in my system (was on 60mg a day at the time) so he wasn't happy with the U of M findings. He referred me to Mayo Clinic - took a long time to get in but was finally officially diagnosed by the neurologist at Mayo Clinic in January of 2006. I had a thymectomy in the Spring of 2006. Was on Imuran and Prednisone but apparently had an inability to metabolize it and my liver functions were off the charts - switched to CellCept a year ago in November and take 3000mg a day - I am off the Prednisone because I developed Osteoporosis and my blood sugars and cholesterol were elevated. I started getting IVIG in the Spring of 2006 and have been receiving it every 2-4 weeks for the most part. My veins couldn't take it - IVIG is very hard on your veins.

The port is about the size of a quarter. they made a slit about 1 inch long to put it in. Compared to my thymectomy scar it is nothing - in fact the scar from my chest tube from the thymectomy is bigger.
Gabe


Gabe 11-20-2008 09:03 PM

Hi Erin -
I gave you the brief history of the MG drama in my life ... in spite of being diagnosed and undiagnosed then rediagnosed eventually there were a million bumps in the road on the way. I had never heard of it before and still only know a few people other than on this forum who have it.

My MG started with my voice and swallowing - then generalized to the rest of my body. Without IViG I have a great deal of difficulty with my hands - especially my fingers and it also affects my legs - feels like I am walking through a swamp with 10 pound weights on my legs. Most of my symptoms are manageble but the swallowing thing is the most challenging and probably the most dangerous. I just had aspiration pneumonia again at Halloween.

I am 45 years old now. I am a female in spite of my nickname Gabe - my real name is Gabrielle and my parents pronounced it more like Gabriel so my nickname is Gabe. I do have nightsweats and especially in the days following IVIG.

erinhermes 11-21-2008 01:27 PM

Hey Gabe!
 
When were you initially diagnosed? Are you OK now? MG really is tricky! I had never heard of it before either................Do you have the Musk(?) MG?
Missy has that one and it really affects her swallowing..........

You are so brave! I was so scared about the whole swallowing thing - it was truly terrifying!!!!

Do you have a good neuro? I for one am so thankful that I have Dr Ibrahim! He was a real life saver!!!!!

Today is my last day of IV IG - YAY!!!!! I get my PICC line out tonight and can resume my "normal" life!!!! Happy days are here again!:D

This site has been the best thing that has ever happened to me! Before I found this, I was so scared all of the time. I was afraid to even leave my home (for fear of another attack), but am so much happier now!!!!

Take care!
Erin:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 411828)
Hi Erin -
I gave you the brief history of the MG drama in my life ... in spite of being diagnosed and undiagnosed then rediagnosed eventually there were a million bumps in the road on the way. I had never heard of it before and still only know a few people other than on this forum who have it.

My MG started with my voice and swallowing - then generalized to the rest of my body. Without IViG I have a great deal of difficulty with my hands - especially my fingers and it also affects my legs - feels like I am walking through a swamp with 10 pound weights on my legs. Most of my symptoms are manageble but the swallowing thing is the most challenging and probably the most dangerous. I just had aspiration pneumonia again at Halloween.

I am 45 years old now. I am a female in spite of my nickname Gabe - my real name is Gabrielle and my parents pronounced it more like Gabriel so my nickname is Gabe. I do have nightsweats and especially in the days following IVIG.


MissyGirl 11-21-2008 02:17 PM

Yep, I have MuSK MG and also have a port. ;) Yep, I'm a girl who has it all. :eek:

Gabe 11-23-2008 07:05 PM

Hi again - I do not have MuSK Antibodies - tested positive for AChR binding and modulating - My primary doctor diagnosed me in May of 2004. Dr Harper at Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN finally confirmed the diagnosis in January 2006.
Gabe

erinhermes 11-24-2008 04:24 PM

Thank goodness you do not have MuSK antibodies!
 
Oh Gabe! Thank goodness you don't have that type!

I can't even imagine how scary that would be!!!!!!

I asked about the MuSK type @ the hospital and no one even seemed to know what I was talking about - scary!!!!

Hang in there!

:hug:Erin:hug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 413341)
Hi again - I do not have MuSK Antibodies - tested positive for AChR binding and modulating - My primary doctor diagnosed me in May of 2004. Dr Harper at Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN finally confirmed the diagnosis in January 2006.
Gabe


littlekitten 11-24-2008 05:58 PM

Well I'm slightly confused.

As with Gabe, I too finally conceeded to having a PICC line put in. As she said so well, it was like admitting that I was 'sick', and having it visible for the world to see on my flabby bicep. And although it's only been accessed 4 days thus far, it sure is a blessing to now not have the pain of being a 2-1/2 hour pin cushion, and the anxiety that comes with it as well. And let me tell you that the nurses are VERY VERY happy that I finally went with it.

When I spoke with my neuro about continuing my IVIG, and mentioning how the veins were no longer co-operating, he stated that IVIG itself is NOT harsh on the veins. It is more that scar tissue develops every time you get needles in the hands, forearms, etc.

Erin, I don't understand when you say that you had your PICC line taken out? Do they put it in for your treatment and take it out after each one?

Maybe they do things differently up here in Canada, but apparently they can leave them in for up to a year. I just get my dressing changed every week and have the line flushed with some saline at the same time.

Lydia

erinhermes 11-24-2008 10:44 PM

Hello!
 
Oh yes! Every time I have a PICC line inserted they take it out when I'm done with my IV IG - talk about gross!

I am now considering a permanent port in my chest (less fuss and muss) and they can access it very quicky - thank Heaven for that!!! My neuro doesn't seem to think that it is necessary, as I am not all that sick,, but my hema STRONGLY recommended it - I am completely confused, though I'll do anything to try and stay strong for my fellas:D.............

Today was a GREAT day! My home is starting to look festive already - I know it's soon, but I never know how much energy I'll have in the future and figure that I may as well do it when I am up to it!!!

Tell me moe about you - how are YOU? What were your symptoms? How old are you? When were you diagnosed?

You'll have to forgive me, but I am still a newbie (I was diagnosed on March 6th and had a thymectomy April 22nd).

In fact, there are still days when I wake up and think that this has all been some sort of terrible nightmare (until I see my huge amount of pills that I have to take.......)

I have decided to be as positive as possible. I have this disease - it does not have me! I have been really blessed with a great support group and am thankful that I have insurance for all of my meds........:D

When you have some time, I'd love to hear your story!!

Take care!
Erin:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by littlekitten (Post 413784)
Well I'm slightly confused.

As with Gabe, I too finally conceeded to having a PICC line put in. As she said so well, it was like admitting that I was 'sick', and having it visible for the world to see on my flabby bicep. And although it's only been accessed 4 days thus far, it sure is a blessing to now not have the pain of being a 2-1/2 hour pin cushion, and the anxiety that comes with it as well. And let me tell you that the nurses are VERY VERY happy that I finally went with it.

When I spoke with my neuro about continuing my IVIG, and mentioning how the veins were no longer co-operating, he stated that IVIG itself is NOT harsh on the veins. It is more that scar tissue develops every time you get needles in the hands, forearms, etc.

Erin, I don't understand when you say that you had your PICC line taken out? Do they put it in for your treatment and take it out after each one?

Maybe they do things differently up here in Canada, but apparently they can leave them in for up to a year. I just get my dressing changed every week and have the line flushed with some saline at the same time.

Lydia



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