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whirlwind123 04-27-2009 05:07 PM

People just do not understand.....
 
:confused:I was talking to some friends from pittsburgh, and told them about the MG, first one said: Oh., that is such a manageable disease and with the mestonin you will feel wonderful, you don't really have any worries:eek:
The next one said: Oh I bet you are on cloud 9 with the mestonin., the disease now is really nothing to worry about., and since you have mestonin you will feel like you did before you got the disease.

Am I missing something., I tried to explain , well you still can be on medicine and have problems., sometimes with mestonin other medicine is necessary., you can still have bad days., you can still have a crisis., they kind of poo pooed me and changed the subject.

I guess some people don't really understand.

AnnieB3 04-27-2009 05:26 PM

I think this is probably one of the toughest things to deal with, explaining a disease to your friends and family!

There are a lot of people who don't really want to know about what disease you have! They just want things to stay the way they've always been. Some people can't even talk about anything medical. Nor do they understand medical topics.

You know how alcoholics avoid going to a bar so they won't be tempted to drink and how people who are afraid to be fat avoid people who are fat? Those are just two obvious examples but it's the same with healthy people and sick people. Some people avoid "sick" people like the plague! It's all about fear and not about the person who is sick though.

Mestinon helps MG but it does nothing to stop the autoimmune process that is destroying your neuromuscular junction and making you weak! This is an awful example but here goes anyway. What if someone is wrecking your car with a bat? If the police come by and take the guy away temporarily, you feel relief but your car is wrecked. Then the guy comes back again and starts to wreck your car even more. I'm not very creative today or I would think of a better example. Someone else will probably come up with a way for you to describe MG and it's destructive power to people.

And MG gets worse while on Mestinon. I was on 90 mg. of it, round the clock when I had my crisis. Do your friends know that you could stop swallowing or breathing if you do too much? Or are out in hot weather?

MG is a big learning curve for the person having it. Imagine how hard it is to understand if you don't have it! ;)

Just give it some time. My family "got it" after only a short time. One of my friends never did and we are no longer friends. All you can do is try your best to explain it to them.

Hang in there! You are going through a lot right now. Lots to think about.

Annie

korbi_doc 04-27-2009 08:18 PM

I guess some people don't really understand!!
 
You are so right WW123, we will see this one everywhere!! My own son, a retired navy man, does not want to hear anything 'bout this, esp the genetics....he has a 10yr old princess, & responded as if offended, lol....

I think the major problem comes with the behavior of the disease parameters....it truly does wax & wane, & most ppl who see us can not put this together cuz we often will look ok...& as Annie says:...
Quote
"There are a lot of people who don't really want to know about what disease you have! They just want things to stay the way they've always been. Some people can't even talk about anything medical. Nor do they understand medical topics."

Unlike Annie's experience, my family does not get it yet, maybe my daughter, tho,....but my friend, who has been with me for many yrs, does, cuz she has seen it at work!!!!!

Patience, patience, patience....but it's so hard to maintain......hang in there!!

Dottie

ras1256 04-27-2009 08:33 PM

Yeah, for me alot of the problem is that if I'm out and about (work or a friends) that means I'm having a GREAT day! People don't see us really bad, cuz we're stuck home on the chair or couch or bed! My voice has really started reflecting the level I'm at lately, more so than the last bout I had, so people have started to catch on that what they see is NOT representative of what I'm dealing with now.

Dottie's right though, many people - especially those that love you - don't want you to have a problem so they go into denial. The link I posted to MGFA on your thread about hospitals knowlege of dealing with MG crisis has lots of brochures. Some you can print out to help family and friends understand what you are dealing with, as well as how to recognize a crisis. Maybe be should carry them around like business cards, huh?

Becky

erinhermes 04-27-2009 09:36 PM

HEy Becky!
 
Brilliant idea! Brilliant!

Erin
Quote:

Originally Posted by ras1256 (Post 502136)
Yeah, for me alot of the problem is that if I'm out and about (work or a friends) that means I'm having a GREAT day! People don't see us really bad, cuz we're stuck home on the chair or couch or bed! My voice has really started reflecting the level I'm at lately, more so than the last bout I had, so people have started to catch on that what they see is NOT representative of what I'm dealing with now.

Dottie's right though, many people - especially those that love you - don't want you to have a problem so they go into denial. The link I posted to MGFA on your thread about hospitals knowlege of dealing with MG crisis has lots of brochures. Some you can print out to help family and friends understand what you are dealing with, as well as how to recognize a crisis. Maybe be should carry them around like business cards, huh?

Becky


erinhermes 04-27-2009 11:10 PM

HEy Whirlwind!
 
Sadly, you are so right! Most of my family STILL doesn't get it! A few of them call this my "lazy bone" disease and tell me I'm being dramatic - these are the same people that SAW me pushing my jaw up and down in order to EAT, yet they make me sound crazy/lazy.

My sis and I used to be so close, but now we hardly speak. Ever since my dx, she has shut me out. I used to watch my niece EVERY day, now I hardly get to see her - when I ask my sis about it, she tells me that if I want to see Lilli I have to drive over! AUGH!

When I saw my grandparents a few weeks ago, my grandma said she needed some "younger" friends cuz' I was sleeping a lot - and then proceeded to tell me "Try being 81" I told her "Try having MG for 1 day"......I love them so much but they just don't WANT to get it!

I think that everyone (myslef included) expected me to be my "old self" right after my thymectomy - hell, I was entertaining people 9 days after it!

People who do not have our disease do not get it! I was always very type A and did lots of stuff, now there days when getting off the sofa is too much for me, but it will get better!

Just keep the positive people around you and ignore the others. It isn't worth the time or energy. You do not have to explain yourself to anyone! I still fight that urge every day! :D

It isn't fair or right, but we have to do what we have to in order to stay happy and healthy. If you are tired, rest. No explainations needed. It has been really had on my son and hubby b/c I would always pamper them, but they need to get used to it. The sooner I'm up and about, the sooner I can take care of them again.:D

True, we do not have something awful like cancer, but we do have a terrible autoimmune disease that can wipe us out in a matter of minutes - for now, there isn;t much we can do about it, except make sure we take our meds and rest when needed!

You do have US! We understand!

Big, big hugs!
Erin:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by whirlwind123 (Post 502002)
:confused:I was talking to some friends from pittsburgh, and told them about the MG, first one said: Oh., that is such a manageable disease and with the mestonin you will feel wonderful, you don't really have any worries:eek:
The next one said: Oh I bet you are on cloud 9 with the mestonin., the disease now is really nothing to worry about., and since you have mestonin you will feel like you did before you got the disease.

Am I missing something., I tried to explain , well you still can be on medicine and have problems., sometimes with mestonin other medicine is necessary., you can still have bad days., you can still have a crisis., they kind of poo pooed me and changed the subject.

I guess some people don't really understand.


redtail 04-29-2009 10:56 PM

I have a wonderful understanding family, they are great and supportive.

I still get the "how are you" (from friends etc) I say "not bad", and they reply "oh but you're looking so well"
I always think oh well if I'm looking well I must be musnt I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Never mind it took 5 minutes to put my shoes on to come out.
its hard, and doesn't get any easier, but I've learnt to deal with it in my own way.

Maxwell'sMom 04-30-2009 10:05 AM

Family can be hard. My husband and my girls completely understand, but, I've had people here and there say things like, well, maybe if you got into a good muscle strengthening exercising, you'd feel stronger, and better. :rolleyes: I don't know why, but that one drives me crazy.
Um....maybe it's because as I describe the illness, I always use the example of exercising as something a normal person can do, but because of the repeated moves, I can't do them. And now because of many other medical stuff. like PH.

But for some people, they just can't wrap their brains around the idea, that exercise could contribute to extreme weakness.

Can we all shout...ANNooooYYYyyiiinnnngggg :mad:

Love Lizzie

redtail 04-30-2009 11:30 PM

Yes Lizzie I get that one to from people outside of the family. They think if I got fit and just stopped being lazy I would get better.

My Sister and Brother in law have great senses of humour, and are always ready with a quick word if they see I'm stuggling. If I'm having a hard time walking up a hill they will say "Come on RUN" at which we all break into laughter, its a good way of dealing with a frustrating situation. Many a time my darling big Sister has dissolved into tears wondering why her little sister has this disease.
I also have a wonderful sister in law, who would do anything for me, she is just great!!
So I treasure this, and try to put up with people who Can't understand
Kate

ras1256 05-01-2009 03:48 PM

That's cool Kate. My daughter is great for that comic relief to break the discomfort. She knows that what I hate worse than anything is for people to be watching me struggling to walk and having "that look" on their faces. So she does things like gently putting her foot up on my behind like she's kicking me in gear and saying somehthing like "move it granny"! It lightens the mood, which helps me. I don't want pity!

I have found the best way to deal with the suggestion to exercise is to explain how the disease actually works (in laymans terms) to people, followed with "MG is the only disease I can think of that exercise isn't on the list of things you should do". It seems like that has help extended family and friends understand better.

Becky

Brennan068 05-02-2009 11:38 AM

Thankfully my MG is very (*very*) mild. I've recently started physio therapy to rebuild muscle tone and stamina. Three weeks in and it has been fantastic for me. I think the important thing about exercise and MG is to listen to your body. Push the exercise "just enough" that it is doing you good and not exacerbating the MG.

My physio researched MG before we started and is being quite careful not to let me push it too hard, but is pushing enough that I'm getting better. If your health plan covers physio for conditioning purposes, I highly recommend it.

I agree with all posts above me though, when I'm down and the MG is hitting hard, there's little sympathy from those around me who don't really get it.

erinhermes 05-02-2009 09:11 PM

Hello Whirlwind!
 
Brennan is just being modest - he has been through Hell and back - yet he never, ever complains! He is a perfect example of a tough and wonderful person!

It is sad that we really don't have a support group in our family's, but we do have neurotalk.....I don't know what I'd do without it. There has always been here for me when I am feeling sorry for myself or am scared! For that I will always be grateful!

It drives me crazy when people - well meaning people - suggest that I "get some sun" or exercise more". I know they love me, but they still don't GET IT!

It will get better!

Big hugs!
Erin:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brennan068 (Post 504736)
Thankfully my MG is very (*very*) mild. I've recently started physio therapy to rebuild muscle tone and stamina. Three weeks in and it has been fantastic for me. I think the important thing about exercise and MG is to listen to your body. Push the exercise "just enough" that it is doing you good and not exacerbating the MG.

My physio researched MG before we started and is being quite careful not to let me push it too hard, but is pushing enough that I'm getting better. If your health plan covers physio for conditioning purposes, I highly recommend it.

I agree with all posts above me though, when I'm down and the MG is hitting hard, there's little sympathy from those around me who don't really get it.


leaningin 05-04-2009 03:48 PM

Mestinon is no cake walk!
 
Okay, am I the only one who has horrible side-effects with Mestinon. Basically, I can choose on a daily basis to have decent vision and explosive diaherrea or have a calm gut and not be able to see. That is what Mestinon does to me. Anyone else had any luck mitigating those side effects?:(

Quote:

Originally Posted by whirlwind123 (Post 502002)
:confused:I was talking to some friends from pittsburgh, and told them about the MG, first one said: Oh., that is such a manageable disease and with the mestonin you will feel wonderful, you don't really have any worries:eek:
The next one said: Oh I bet you are on cloud 9 with the mestonin., the disease now is really nothing to worry about., and since you have mestonin you will feel like you did before you got the disease.

Am I missing something., I tried to explain , well you still can be on medicine and have problems., sometimes with mestonin other medicine is necessary., you can still have bad days., you can still have a crisis., they kind of poo pooed me and changed the subject.

I guess some people don't really understand.


Brennan068 05-04-2009 08:43 PM

I'm lucky in that I have no side effects from my mestinon. Have you tried Immodium? My neuro suggested that should I have any gastro issues when he first prescribed it to me.

Brian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaningin (Post 505614)
Okay, am I the only one who has horrible side-effects with Mestinon. Basically, I can choose on a daily basis to have decent vision and explosive diaherrea or have a calm gut and not be able to see. That is what Mestinon does to me. Anyone else had any luck mitigating those side effects?:(


maryec 05-05-2009 09:22 AM

I can feel a good boost after 20 min. of taking my mestinon, but I also have GI trouble, every morning, they thought it was do to mest. at first, but turns out I have malabsorption going along with a secondary disease, with Neuropathy & myopathy, myotonia. My follow up is tomorrow with Neuro.

erinhermes 05-05-2009 10:42 AM

Hi Leaningin
 
Hey there! THe only time I had problems with Mestinon was when I was too weak to eat but took the liquid form......it was awful!

Maxwell's mom had problems with it as well, but I think she said she is lactose intolerant...........or something like that.

You need to talk to your neuro/gp about this. You don't need to get dehydrated on top of everything else...


I hope you feel better soon, hon!:D

Big hugs!
ERin
Quote:

Originally Posted by leaningin (Post 505614)
Okay, am I the only one who has horrible side-effects with Mestinon. Basically, I can choose on a daily basis to have decent vision and explosive diaherrea or have a calmt and not be able to see. That is what Mestinon does to me. Anyone else had any luck mitigating those side effects?:(


Christy 05-05-2009 10:44 AM

Hello Everyone,

After reading this forum for 10 months or so, thought I would jump in with my experience. I live alone so I mostly cope in my own way at home. At work, the weakness and symptoms are band-aided up with Mestinon. I do not think people notice when I fumble or drop things. I change routine to accommodate the weakness.
Family, friends and co-workers mostly are interested, yet not involved in the day to day muddle of this unwanted invading monster we live with. I have a few people listen to me when I need to vent. Mostly I pray.

Thanks for all your posts, I have learned oodles of info that is not available on the medical sites.

Maxwell'sMom 05-05-2009 02:34 PM

Christy, It is so nice to have each other. All our different personalities, and experiences help so much. I hope you'll jump in and join more often.
We need each Other, only those of us who have it, truly understand the day to day things, and the struggles we endure. I miss beebopping around town, shopping, and just going for a long walk. My body doesn't allow those things very often, but when it does, I soak up every moment of it.
Love Lizzie

erinhermes 05-05-2009 07:06 PM

Hi Christy!
 
Just wanted to say hello and welcome to neurotalk! As you said, it is a great site for us, b/c unless you HAVE our disease, you don't really "get it".....sigh

How long have you had MG? What were your symptoms? Are you on any meds?

I'm still a "newbie" - 1 yr dx'ed - thymectomy 1 yr ago, so I am not trying to be nosy, just curious............

That being said, I know you will meet some really great people here and share some amazing experiences!

Big hugs!
Erin:hug:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christy (Post 506021)
Hello Everyone,

After reading this forum for 10 months or so, thought I would jump in with my experience. I live alone so I mostly cope in my own way at home. At work, the weakness and symptoms are band-aided up with Mestinon. I do not think people notice when I fumble or drop things. I change routine to accommodate the weakness.
Family, friends and co-workers mostly are interested, yet not involved in the day to day muddle of this unwanted invading monster we live with. I have a few people listen to me when I need to vent. Mostly I pray.

Thanks for all your posts, I have learned oodles of info that is not available on the medical sites.


Christy 05-06-2009 12:00 PM

MG BIO
June 2008 I began to experience sporadic light episodes of - double vision - slurring of words - trouble swallowing - breathing incorrectly - walking strangely - fumbling.

Went to ER (some family pressure) because I looked as if I had a stroke, although I was confident I had not because I looked well after a short rest. ER sent me home with instructions to see GP.

GP wrote scrip for potassium and suggested I see a neurologist. Three week wait for neurology appointment. Symptoms intensify radically. My computer and I diagnose myself with generalized MG while waiting the coveted appointment.

Textbook work-up including all possible tests took another two weeks. Finally, I received a definite Dx of non-thynomic generalized myasthenia and Rx for Mestinon (180 mg timespan ½ twice a day as needed). In October, I telephone Dr. office, request, and receive Rx for additional Mestinon (60 mg generic tablet ½ to 1 tablet per day as needed).

Most of the emotional issues of this disease have been on hold. Other huge family medical issues make my MG materialize small on quality of life scale. I am now justifiably depressed. (Because of this board, and your kind words to one another, I know I am not crazy just slightly depressed). I will be calling neurologist today for yearly appointment. Hoping there is an antidepressants ( Lexapro, Effexor, Cymbalta, Zoloft) drug that works well with Mestinon.

Those are the FACTS….
Theses are the FEELINGS ….
I have no energy to push through a task - if I do - I pay for 3 days. Food has become an enemy, walking more than a mile seems dim-witted, all responsibilities are much to time sensitive, vacuum cleaners weigh 200 lbs, heat is equivalent to immobilization, I now ignore things that were paramount a year ago. I continually feel alien within my own life, both physically and emotionally. Spiritually doing okay but feeling somewhat reminiscent of Jonah.

Wow, that was therapeutic to write nearly years worth of life changing events into a few paragraphs.

Thanks for reading …Blessings to all.
Christy,

erinhermes 05-06-2009 03:33 PM

Hi Christy!
 
Oh, hon, I am so sorry you are having to go through this. I am on 30 mgs a day of Paxil and it seems to be helping - you may want to ask about that.........

Are you on any meds to help with weakness? Pred? I know there is a lot of people out there who are very much against steroids, but for ME they were a life saver.........

This disease stinks, plain and simple. There are days when I scream and cry and throw things or eat an entire tub of frosting while crying, but they pass.....it will get better!

Do you have a local support group? You are NOT alone.....though you may feel like it. THere are plenty of us who KNOW what you are going through - sadly.......sigh......

Have you ever heard of IV IV? Plasma exchange? I know for me they were a huge help in getting some of my strength back......

Hang in there!
Big hugs!
Erin:D








Quote:

Originally Posted by Christy (Post 506578)
MG BIO
June 2008 I began to experience sporadic light episodes of - double vision - slurring of words - trouble swallowing - breathing incorrectly - walking strangely - fumbling.

Went to ER (some family pressure) because I looked as if I had a stroke, although I was confident I had not because I looked well after a short rest. ER sent me home with instructions to see GP.

GP wrote scrip for potassium and suggested I see a neurologist. Three week wait for neurology appointment. Symptoms intensify radically. My computer and I diagnose myself with generalized MG while waiting the coveted appointment.

Textbook work-up including all possible tests took another two weeks. Finally, I received a definite Dx of non-thynomic generalized myasthenia and Rx for Mestinon (180 mg timespan ½ twice a day as needed). In October, I telephone Dr. office, request, and receive Rx for additional Mestinon (60 mg generic tablet ½ to 1 tablet per day as needed).

Most of the emotional issues of this disease have been on hold. Other huge family medical issues make my MG materialize small on quality of life scale. I am now justifiably depressed. (Because of this board, and your kind words to one another, I know I am not crazy just slightly depressed). I will be calling neurologist today for yearly appointment. Hoping there is an antidepressants ( Lexapro, Effexor, Cymbalta, Zoloft) drug that works well with Mestinon.

Those are the FACTS….
Theses are the FEELINGS ….
I have no energy to push through a task - if I do - I pay for 3 days. Food has become an enemy, walking more than a mile seems dim-witted, all responsibilities are much to time sensitive, vacuum cleaners weigh 200 lbs, heat is equivalent to immobilization, I now ignore things that were paramount a year ago. I continually feel alien within my own life, both physically and emotionally. Spiritually doing okay but feeling somewhat reminiscent of Jonah.

Wow, that was therapeutic to write nearly years worth of life changing events into a few paragraphs.

Thanks for reading …Blessings to all.
Christy,


redtail 05-07-2009 03:27 AM

Hi Christy,

welcome to the board!!

I'm on antidepressants, it helps me get through the tough times.

You say you will be calling your neurologist for your "yearly" appointment, I'm a bit concerned. With all your symptoms I would be hoping your neurologist would be trying to stabilize you a bit more. I know I still struggle with some of these things, but I would have thought you would need to see them a bit more often. Anyway thats just my thoughts.
Yes it does help to put things down in writing, I still come here and pour my heart out, it really does help
Kate

Maxwell'sMom 05-07-2009 10:45 AM

I was thinking the same as Kate. I see my neuro every three months, and during the times I see him every 4 months, I'm so giddy..yay.. and once, I went six months, and thought, Oh my word, this feels so good not to have another appointment so soon.
I can't even comprehend a year, and I must say, neither could my neuro....;).
Well, as you probably can tell, I'm so tired of medical appointments. I have too many of them. I use to say if I saw one more person with an "OLOGIST" at the end of their name, I was going to be seeing someone different, This time it would be someone with a "trist" at the end, as in, "Pychiatrist".
I mean, I see a Endrocrinologist, Neurologist, Pulmonologist, Cardiologist< two of those, ones an expert on Pulmonary hypertension, Nephrologist, and then there is the occasional Rhueminologist (sp?). I don't think, I've forgotten any one.
And they all want to see me every so many weeks right now. I feel overwhelmed by them sometimes.
So, the once a year thing, doesn't sound good, he may not understand that your symptoms are as bad as they are, please let him know if he doesn't.
Much love, and many hugs
Love Lizzie

erinhermes 05-07-2009 03:49 PM

I agree with Kate and Lizzie!
 
A year is just waaaaaaaaay too long to go between appts. I have dx'ed for a yr now and still see my neuro 2 times a month. Granted, we are still trying to get things stablized, but it sounds like you may need help in that area as well:(

I hope you feel better soon and get the answers you need - as well as the meds!:D

Big hugs!
Erin




ras1256 05-07-2009 06:41 PM

Ditto.
 
Christy,
Welcome to our forum!
:I-Agree: One year appointment? Even as I was coming under control with generalized Myasthenia, I saw my neuro at most every 3 months. I didn't graduate to 6 months until it was obvious I was mostly controlled. Does the Mestinon as prescribed for you seem to control your disease? I'm surprised if it does with the symptoms you have described. Have you checked on other neuro's at least to get a second opinion, not on the dx but on your treatment?

I take Effexor ER for depression. It has an added benefit of giving a little energy, too.

I'm so sorry someone else in your family is struggling with severe health issues too. It seems there should be a limit! And emotional stress can be a big contributor to MG.

When my cousin died at a relatively young age of a sudden massive stroke I was lucky enough to already be in the hospital (getting my dx, actually), because I turned into a limp noodle after getting the news.

I wanted to say, you have such a gift for writing. Do you write in your career? If not, you should pursue that I think! Your writing, even just relaying your story, is very poetic.

I hope you'll continue to post. It does help to get some of this off your chest!

Big Hugs! :hug:


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