NeuroTalk Support Groups - Anodyne Therapy

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Has anyone tried Anodyne Therapy for PN. I have idiopathic PN, probably from statin drugs. Seems to be quickly progressing and the vitamins and other recommended tablets are not working.

I researched Anodyne Therapy and found a ton of positive results.

There have been quite a few threads on it - I did a forum search, here are the results -
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/se...hquery=anodyne

I don't know how many here have tried it.
Hopefully the ones that did will post updates.

Thanks for your reply

I'm hoping for information that would indicate that the Anodyne Therapy will improve non-diabetic PN. Most of the information I found was for diabetic PN and severe symptoms.

I currently have no pain and am looking for some method that will stop the progression. I'm sure that is everybody's goal as well.

Thanks for any help.

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Originally Posted by sailprice (Post 507248)

What supplements are you taking?
Damage from statins is mostly to the mitochondria. So supplements chosen should target those.

The supplements I take are:
Methyl B12 1000
Biotin 1000
CoQ-10 100
Multi-Vitamin
2 Omega3 1000
Vitamin D 400
Folic Acid 400
2 Calcium 600 with 400 D

I have dropped the Statin (Crestor) and am taking WelChol Cholesterol reducing drug. Also 2 Zantac 150.

I also have Carpal Tunnel which I am having surgery for. But the PN seems to be affecting my hands.

Thanks for your review.

[I also have Carpal Tunnel which I am having surgery for. But the PN seems to be affecting my hands.]

You might want to read on our Thoracic outlet syndrome {TOS} forum, just to check it out for your hand symptoms -
our TOS forum link
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum24.html

some info sites about TOS
TOS info:
http://www.medifocushealth.com/RT017/index.php
http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/thoracic_outlet/
http://tos-syndrome.com/newpage12.htm
http://tos-syndrome.com
http://www.doctorellis.com

Hi Sailprice...
I think you should add in acetyl carnitine (up to 2 grams a day)
and r-lipoic acid.

Start with 500mg of the carnitine daily and work up if necessary.
When you increase, take in divided doses, since it is not all absorbed in one bolus type dose.

R-lipoic is a newer version of alpha lipoic and more potent.
Start at 50mg of this. I use 100mg/day BTW.

Make sure your CoQ-10 is a quality type, with absorption enhancing qualities. Plain old powder capsules without Bioperine, are most likely not being absorbed well.

Some makers assure on the label, the enhancing vehicle for the CoQ-10. I'd take more than 100mg (more like 200mg) because of the statin.

Examples of quality CoQ-10:
http://www.epic4health.com/noname.html
or
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-H...e-Caps/20?at=0

If you opt for the Doctor's Best with Bioperine, take it away from any other drugs you use. It will enhance absorption of RX drugs as well, and these have specific absorption qualities for their dosing and you may end up with MORE drug than you need. So take them at least 6 hrs apart.

Regarding Bioperine:
I just looked around on PubMed for this additive for studies and found THIS:

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Phytother Res. 2009 Jan 26. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
Antihyperlipidemic Compounds from the Fruit of Piper longum L.
Jin Z, Borjihan G, Zhao R, Sun Z, Hammond GB, Uryu T.

Institute of Macromolecular Chemistry and Mongolian Medicine, Inner Mongolia University, Huhhot 010021, China.

A bioassay-guided isolation of an ethanol extract of the fruit of Piper longum L. yielded piperlonguminine, piperine and pipernonaline, as the main antihyperlipidemic constituents. They exhibit appreciable antihyperlipidemic activity in vivo, which is comparable to that of the commercial antihyperlipidemic drug, simvastatin. Copyright (c) 2009 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID: 19172581 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

Also I checked Dr. Sahelian's site, and he suggests periodic rests from piperine extracts.
But the link to potential lowering of cholesterol is interesting here with it.

This newer paper suggests that piperine is safe:

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Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2007;47(8):735-48.Click here to read Links
Black pepper and its pungent principle-piperine: a review of diverse physiological effects.
Srinivasan K.

Department of Biochemistry and Nutrition, Central Food Technological Research Institute, Mysore, India. ksri.cftri@gmail.com

Black pepper (Piper nigrum) is one of the most widely used among spices. It is valued for its distinct biting quality attributed to the alkaloid, piperine. Black pepper is used not only in human dietaries but also for a variety of other purposes such as medicinal, as a preservative, and in perfumery. Many physiological effects of black pepper, its extracts, or its major active principle, piperine, have been reported in recent decades. Dietary piperine, by favorably stimulating the digestive enzymes of pancreas, enhances the digestive capacity and significantly reduces the gastrointestinal food transit time. Piperine has been demonstrated in in vitro studies to protect against oxidative damage by inhibiting or quenching free radicals and reactive oxygen species. Black pepper or piperine treatment has also been evidenced to lower lipid peroxidation in vivo and beneficially influence cellular thiol status, antioxidant molecules and antioxidant enzymes in a number of experimental situations of oxidative stress. The most far-reaching attribute of piperine has been its inhibitory influence on enzymatic drug biotransforming reactions in the liver. It strongly inhibits hepatic and intestinal aryl hydrocarbon hydroxylase and UDP-glucuronyl transferase. Piperine has been documented to enhance the bioavailability of a number of therapeutic drugs as well as phytochemicals by this very property. Piperine's bioavailability enhancing property is also partly attributed to increased absorption as a result of its effect on the ultrastructure of intestinal brush border. Although initially there were a few controversial reports regarding its safety as a food additive, such evidence has been questionable, and later studies have established the safety of black pepper or its active principle, piperine, in several animal studies. Piperine, while it is non-genotoxic, has in fact been found to possess anti-mutagenic and anti-tumor influences.

PMID: 17987447 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17987447?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.P ubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=4&log$=relatedreviews&l ogdbfrom=pubmed

Jo*Mar
I tried the link you posted, but it came back "no match"..:confused:

Hmmm that's odd , they all worked for me...
But here's the main page with all our forums listed - it's down near the bottom -
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/index.php

Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

look in the useful sticky- post # 1

I'm not diabetic and tried Anodyne Therapy with not luck.

Good luck on the research.

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Originally Posted by sailprice (Post 507263)

I bought the Anodyne Therapy. Unfortunately, I don't think it helped. Everyone is different. Investigate their rental program. That way you can try it before you buy.

Hi...I have dropped the Statin (Crestor) and am taking some kind of drug to reduce the cholesterol. Is it right to take it or not...

I posted this on wrong site and was told to come here. I recently got the Micro-Z mini, which I understand is Anoddyne therapy. I have peripheral neuropathy and have night pain which causes me to get little sleep. This was given to me at a rehab supply facility with the promise it was covered by Medicare. It has worked wonders for me as I now sleep pain free. However, I paid $198 up front with the promise it would be refunded by Medicare after the trial period. The stocking must be replaced every 90 days, I believe, and am on my 3rd tube of gel. I called medicare to see if it was covered, and got no answer, but have read elsewhere it is not. The facility that prescribed this has no answer and I am upset, as it works for me, but can see a money tree ahead if it is not covered. Can anybody here give me an answer? Suppose I'll have to pay for it since it allows me to get sleep, but the cost is very prohibitive. Has anybody else used this? Thanks for any info you can give me.