MS and Smoking
 

I'm not sure how many of you get the Neurology Now magazine but this month they had an article about cigarette smoke and MS. So I thought I would post the link for those who don't get the magazine.

Sally - Put down that dam**n cigarette NOW! LOL Are you still doing the e-cig thing.

"We've known for decades about the non-neurologic risk for smoking-heart disease, lung disease, cancer, says Barbara S. Giesser, M.D., clinical director of the MS program at the University of California in Los Angeles. Now we have evidence that it may adversely affect the course of MS. And while scientists don't know exactly how smoking promotes the onset and progression of disease, the detrimental effects are indisputable.

Research shows that smokers have a 40- to 80-percent higher risk of developing MS than non-smokers. The more you smoke, the greater the risk, says Alberto Ascherio, M.D., professor of epidemiology and nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health and associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. . . ."

http://www.neurologynow.com/pt/re/ne...195628!8091!-1

wow Trish. Is that article saying that I may have done this to myself? I am an ex-smoker, I quit about 10 years ago.

Quit almost 1 year ago, no looking back!

I did smoke from 19 on, but I know plenty of people with MS who've never smoked a day in their lives, and some have much more aggressive variants of this disease.

Personally? I think nothing good comes out of smoking.

Cyn - Just thought it was an interesting article. IMHO, I don't think it causes MS as more people would have MS. But I do know that smoking effects the CNS and it makes sense that it would contribute to MS progression. Hence, the reason I posted the article.

It does mention 2nd hand smoke which I thought was interesting as well. In my case, my mom smoked some when we were little. However, if this article were correct, my 9 brothers and sisters would have MS as well.

Again, I think it all goes back to a certain trigger and I think each of may have had a different trigger or combination of triggers.

Bah!!!!! Smoking is not a good thing for anyone, but whether it actually causes disease is a big ? in my book.

IMO, since so many people smoke or have smoked, and so many people have contracted cancer, heart trouble, MS and more, it's a no brainer to come up with..aha, smoking must cause these illnesses.

The thing that tics me off is, these studies cost multi bucks that could be used to find a cure for these illnesses.

There are many causes and triggers for many illnesses, and if we stopped doing all the things that may cause disease, we would die of starvation or live the rest of our lives in gas masks.

I've smoked since I was 19 (at least a pack per day) and today my lungs are clear, my heart is normal, my blood pressure is normal, as well as all my vitals, and I'm 69..:eek: ....Knocking vigorously on wood and praying not to be struck by lightening, as I sit here.:cool:

Oh and Trish, I'm only vaping nicotine, now....but, who knows, next, they will find it causes disease too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.:p

News Flash...We're all gonna die!!!

It can't help but I always come back to the fact that the north has the most people w/MS and I don't think the south has less smokers.

I agree with Sally.every day someone is comming up with something else that causes disease. Don't eat this, don't eat that, don't breath, don't drink alcohol, soda, ect. don't touch that. i agree that smoking is sooo bad for you and wish i never started but geez I might as well live in a bubble with all the things that cause disease in this world.

Geez- ever notice all these health oriented studies take all the fun stuff out of life? Drinking, smoking, watching TV, staying up late, tanning, eating junk food, coffee......

I hope EVERYONE who is smoking, finds the courage, strength, and serenity to be able to lay them down.

its incredibly expensive, does horrible things by robbing your body of O2, and makes you smell just awful.

I pray that you all find relief from grips of this habit. Go spend your money each month on a massage, or a cleaning lady, or a vacation, or a shopping spree for clothes, or ice cream! yeah, ice cream.

One pack a day, $5. $150 a month, $1800 a year. Cost of a weekend cruise to the carribean $999 that means you can afford to take a friend!

ok, let me climb off my soap box. :p

I was waiting for DH in a Sam's Club. I think it is similar to a CostCo, only difference is that it is owned by Walmart.

I used their bathroom and as I was going out, I saw a chained off area where the cigarettes are now kept. So I stopped by to see what a carton of cigarettes are going for now.

When DH and I quit, a carton was $10, it took about a week to smoke.

I was amazed it cost about $50 now.

That is expensive!

There is talk about increasing the tax on sugary drinks. Thank goodness I gave that up long ago as well. I now cannot stand the taste of soda, diet or regular.

But that is just me.:o I know how hard it is to quit smoking and I was never one that particularly liked smoking after I turned 20 or so, just addicted. It was a nice social activity at first.

I think the e-cigarette is amazing. Is it hard to convert from regular? It is different in taste, right?

All those replacements you mentioned can be hazzardess to your health, too!!:D

I started using e-cigs about the middle of March and enjoyed them from the start. Had a few ups and down in the first few weeks, but once I got the hang of using the devise properly and remembering to order vapor juice (Maroboro-like), I never looked back.

I had a full carton of my usual tobacco cigs at that time and have not opened it..yet!! I go to MyVaporStore.com, after trying out different places and find them fair priced, well stocked and speedy deliveries.

Cyn, I find the Maroboro Vapor to be as near the real thing as I have ever gotten and with none of the horrors of tobacco smoke. When I clean my furniture and mirrors now, there is no yucky yellow stains to clean and none of that crap in my lungs, either..Since there is no 2nd hand smoke, I can vape with my Grands here..:cool::):cool:

I recommend it to anyone who enjoys smoking but doesn't want the possible dangers of Tobacco, anymore.

"Perhaps the most interesting research linking smoking and MS came from a 2007 study in the journal Brain that explicitly links the onset of MS before the age of 16 to childhood exposure to secondhand smoke. The longer the child was exposed to secondhand smoke, the more likely they were to develop MS. In the study, 62 percent of the 129 MS patients had been exposed to their parents' secondhand cigarette smoke during childhood compared to only 45.1 percent of healthy children."

What doesn't smoking cause?

I think about 65% of the adult population smoked when I was born, and smoking was EVERYWHERE; doctor's office, grocery store, hairdresser, every workplace ...

Fifty years later only about 20% of the population smokes, and it is banned in even many OPEN air areas, where it couldn't possibly hurt anyone.

Did I miss the new stat that says MS is getting less prevalent .... because hardly anyone smokes or is exposed to second hand smoke now?

Cherie

Doctors used to advertise their favorite brands!

"I am Dr. Milton, and I smoke Camels...non filtered! you should too!" OMG! when you see some of the old tyme commericials its down right scary.

How horrible is it when you pass a hospital or medical center, and see the throng of nurses, or MDs outside catching a cigarette between patients..YUCK! What a bad example.

I grew up in a smoker home. My mom quit just after I moved out, and my dad smoke up until the very afternoon he died. I picked up the habit at 14 and didnt turn it lose till many years later. it was the hardest thing I ever did, and the best thing I ever did.

How come my sister didnt get MS? She lived in that smokey house! and smokes to this day! I want a recount darnit. :mad:

When my Dad was in the hospital for a hernia operation back in 1977 I remember visiting him. Smoking must have been allowed in public buildings then because people were smoking there. The man in the next room had lung cancer and had a hole in his throat (that little area at the bottom of your neck right before your chest). I was walking down the hall and looked in his room and saw him smoking through that little hole!! :eek: OMGoodness......it freaked me out! It was the creepiest thing I have ever seen and I remember it vividly to this day.

I've never been addicted to cigarettes but for him to keep smoking during that period in his life it must be an extremely hard habit to break.

That would be enough for me to either never smoke or quit on the spot.

Laura, didn't you have that commercial back east ... about 15 yrs ago ... where that cancer surviver was smoking through the hole in her neck. GACK!!!

(I bet I'll be her though. :eek::cool:)

Cherie

Haha, may have, but I don't recall a commercial with it.

I didn't watch a lot of television when I was younger, I played outdoors most of the time.

Yeah, some good it did for me later on! :rolleyes:

Interesting article. I never really smoked other than a few times at Happy Hour when I was in school. I thought it made me look cool, but could not stand the smell. I even broke up with a boy friend back then because he would not quit smoking. I grew up with 2nd hand smoke for my first 18 years of life.

I grew up with second hand smoke, lots of it. I've smoked since I was 11. I don't have ms. I think more needs to be studied.

Eleven??? :eek: You were a wild child, weren't you?;)

Not too wild but it was the city. :rolleyes: :p

I really, really don't think the smoking or smoke causes MS. MS would then be as common as the cold. However, as I stated, I think it could possibly effect the course of MS and/or how a person feels due to the effect of smoking on the nerves.

About 3 years ago I got the "pleasure" of sitting next to a scientist on the way home from back east - 2+ hour flight of science talk.:rolleyes: Anyhow, he owns a research company and was saying that they have found that tobacco doesn't cause cancer it is the chemicals used in the growing (pesticides) and manufacturing of the cigarettes. Made sense to me.

Anyhow, years ago when DDs were wee little ones I kept getting pneumonia. (Ultimately a titer was done and I don't have the antibodies to fight pneumonia). During 1 dr visit he was saying that since I only smoked 0-4 cigarettes a day, had a horrible marriage and had just left my husband, and was dealing with all those stresses he felt that quitting at that time would put more stress on my body and recommended NOT quitting. LOL. I eventually did but I thought that was interesting . . . a dr telling you NOT to quit.

BTW - I am not one to try to figure out how I got MS. IMHO, there are far too many variables and unknowns. (Right down to my ancestors diet. Potato blight in the 1800's?? LOL) But I like to find things that can help those that already have it such as the nanotechnology article I posted. Now that is way cool and something I would do if proven to help reconnect the damaged nerves.

I have known about MS for many, many years and about some of the research that has been done on it through out the years. That was my brother's job for 20+ years so I always heard things about it when he would talk about his work. After I was diagnosed 3 years ago we have talked more about studies that were done and are being done and identifying the "snake oil" treatments by reviewing the studies and study procedures, data collection, etc. He was concerned about a treatment I was considering.

In this particular article that I posted here, the study that was done on it was way too preliminary and unscientific for me to even agree to it. Again, I do know that smoking effects the CNS and could see that it could effect how we progress and/or feel. Hence, the reason I posted this article.

I don't smoke anymore, she says as she Puffs away..:p:D

Sally doesn't smoke.....she vaporizes!! :p :D

Spoooookkkkkyyyyy! So that's how Sally disappears. I always wondered how she was doing that. She doesn't go up in smoke, she vaporizes. *lightbulb goes on in tkriks haid* :D

The Prez signed the tobacco bill today. I don't know how that's going to effect us smokers and vaporizers. Since there is no tobacco in a vaporizer,I shouldn't think it should bother me.

Do you think I should send him one of my vaporizers..:D

I smoke. I also tried it for the first time very early in life. I have been on and off for 10 or more years now. I quit once for like 1 year and 1/2. It's a terrible habit and I hate it. But them sometimes I really enjoy it. Sometimes I'm really stressed and I feel like thats my only 'break'.

Sally, I think our smokeless cigs will be regulated now. If the FDA can regulate nicotine in cigs, they will most likely regulate the smokeless ones since they have nicotine. I am just so done with it all.

That's exactly why I use e-cigs, because I enjoy smoking..vaping, now.:)

Iread the whole bill and they can't stop nicotine, only the tobacco..:confused: But the FDA has been stopping e-cig imports. that could hurt, since it's all made in China. We need an American manufacturer..:cool:

Yesterday the news said they can limit the amount of nicotine. I am happy to hear what you read said otherwise. I think it's time for us to stock up on some liquid. Do you know if your dealer will fit my e-cig? LOL

Check out myvaporstore.com and see. They have the parts for the penstyle and the mini style and the have the juice you need, from high octane..:D to low (I use Maroboro med)...for now.

LOL!! You girls crack me up. :D:D

I have no clue what these are but am going to have to check them out just to see what the look like. I have all sorts of images but when I saw Sally's post with ". . .from high octane. . ." my image changes.:eek::D Do you light these things?

*tkrik going to see what they look like before she makes a fool out of her self, yet AGAIN.*:D

I'm back. I think I understand a little better now.

Heck, you can even get flavored eliquid! Kind of like smoking a hookah but with eliquid. I wonder if hookah bars will start using that now. LOL

This is the bill/act that has passed the house and is in the Senate now, that will make it almost impossible to get my e-cig stuff by mail.:mad::mad::mad:

This note came from my ciggy supplier!!!

In reply to that bill: Ba$#ar@s!!!!!!!

If that was a prayer, I say amen!!!


UPDATE: I just ordered a pen style atomiser and battery in silver and a 50 mg jar of MB e-liquid. I hope it doesn't go stale...LOL!