Wanted to run again - hurt foot before starting
 

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BACKGROUND:
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Some of you may recall that several years ago i had successive trauma to the sesamoids under the ball of the foot - tiny bones embedded in the tendon which control the flexing and pointing action of the foot. The bones sit just below the ball of the foot, and when inflamed any stress - standing up (let alone, holding weights, walking etc), or flexing the area worsens the inflammation.

I had magnetic therapy and ultrasound treatments which worked well. Healing is not immediate however and requires a year or two building up resistance to normal activity. At first, I had repeated "accidents" that set me back to square for a couple of years. Last year in May i had my last treatments and had had no more significant accidents since.

I have been able to stretch more, stand on tip-toes, crouch (could do none before without causing severe inflammation w/ swelling), walk more, and recently even walk in slightly heeled, thin-soled shoes extensively (even on bumpy transits!) without ANY pain whatsoever the following day.

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THE PLAN:
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So i decided i could try to start running again. Just a little at a time... since i would do little sprints anyway to catch buses and stuff, without consequence.

I need to start running again. Walking does not really cut it for me, and i need exercise. My feet had taken enough impact the past few months that they could have handled "easing" back into jogging, partly because i am so out of shape, it would only be short spurts between a lot of walking at first! :rolleyes:

I also figured at first sign of any inflammation, i could immediately change to just walking. (Even if it doesn't help me as much, mentally.)

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WHAT HAPPENED:
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i was to go running last night. For the first time. I did my usual stretching which includes flexing the foot, and felt a slight twinge. I reduced the stretching and hoped for the best. However i decided not to run but only to walk so as not to "push it" until i could see if things got bad and how well/quickly they resolved. (Inflammation only shows up the following day.)

Before i left my mother had called for someone go help her carry two very heavy bags of groceries from the bus stop. i did that. Very heavy, another twinge. ACK.

i needed to go to a not-so-near pharmacy too, after which I meandered for a bit before proceeding to what would be my "official" walk, deciding on two rounds (instead of three planned), given the walking i had already done and the twinges.

Well thank goodness i didn't run (jog).

Last night i had mild pain AT REST, which was more acute on palpation of the inner sesamoid, and trigger area (tendon attachment). That is bad news. This morning it was worse... at rest.

I put a pomade with arnica (local anti-inflammatory) and incense on it which has helped in the past .

This REALLY SUCKS. I really feel stupid for over-stretching... but it surprised me considering what all i have been doing with NO pain at all.

Now i don't know where i stand. i just have to wait. There is mild swelling today :( and if any pain persists more than 2 days i will have to defer any regular walking regime, for safety. LET ALONE RUNNING.

And the whole point of doing this, was to get me up and going because i can't seem to DO ANYTHING!!!!! :(:(:(

AND NOW THIS!!! :mad::mad::mad:

~ waves ~

I have sesamoid bone issues too. I find that certain types of shoes really can set it off into a pain flare.

Stiff uppers of athletic shoes push against the ball of the foot which then puts stress on the sesamoids. I try and get nylon uppers whenever possible.

I also use Salonpas for flare ups...these OTC topical patches,
really work. I wear them at night. Almost as well as a shot. I had one injection in my left foot, and it was totally painful. But the daily pain, did improve after that. My podiatrist recommended stiff bottom soled shoes and not walking barefoot.

I hate to be a downer, but I think once you have this problem it is for life. Sorry. My doctor recommended against surgery unless they become extreme...says the surgery increases likihood of bunions and weakens the joint further.

You can also buy strong neodymium magnets (at least 8000-10,000 gauss) and apply to the nerve on the instep (top of foot) for some pain relief. (south pole to the skin)

Sometimes we have to change our lives. I had to give up crocheting when my carpal tunnel started. I loved crocheting!
I was angry about that for a while, but I got over it.

just a quick note, this really is upsetting, you were trying to get a new plan of action and have this set back.
I amsorry.
I usually hurt my self when ever I start an excercise program....
sigh
beth:hug:

Waves

I don't know my foot problems by the name you gave them. But it sure sounds like the same thing. And I can tell totally that I am having a very
hard time getting my feet to exercise. What I've been doing is going
and doing what I can.

I am not much help I'm afraid, I am just learning how to help my problems.

Donna

well...... i am not ready to give up... not yet.
 

Thanks everyone for your support.

Donna,

Yes, i hear you. and i think, once my foot is viable... i am going to have to take your approach too. just get the "rhythm" of going out there 3x a week, even if i do very little. gradually, i will be able to do more. i saw that happen this year. it will happen again.

sort of a cross between changing my lifestyle and changing my mindset.

Mrs D,

i can't afford to buy special shoes however having had this problem for some time, all the footwear i normally i use - except the ones i recently "tested" with for impact resistance (and was fine) are form fitting and insulate/cushion from walking surface. my running shoes might as well have been molded to fit my foot. when i had big trouble, those were the only shoes i could handle. my indoor home slippers have form-fitting supportive lining and, interestingly, magnetic attachments (marketing gag? seem like big buttons, can't be high potency - but those slippers for whatever reason actually provided pain relief back when i was in bad shape, without NSAID patches. I try to stay away from those, i cannot tolerate them for long - skin does not like. Oral NSAIDs I have to reserve for migraines and other issues.

i realize the "sensitivity" and tendency to trauma is likely to be lifelong... but i was told i could run again, taking it slowly, by the physios who treated me. it has been many years only because of repeated traumas (clumsy me). i have read up on surgery - risk/benefit. i will NEVER EVER do that.

Have you ever been treated with magnetic therapy sessions (usually 20-30 min exposure, either in an open field, or with attachments to the feet)? that works exceedingly well. Or ultrasound in water or by gel? I did ultrasound in water (10-15 min duration) too. When my feet were real bad i had both therapies scripted concomitantly. For both, the benefit is experienced late in the treatment and you continue to have dramatic improvement (with appropriate footwear and rest of course!)

I am sorry about the carpal tunnel and the crochet. :( My mom can't crochet any more also. :( She almost didn't manage to finish my cousin's bridal doilies - over 100, (given to guests with almond candy) and that was the last of her crochet.

Bizi, thanks. there is something to that... about getting hurt when we start exercising... what a bummer. i really didn't expect it. i thought i was being so cautious.

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Anyway, this was the first time i got to the point of being able to handle stress/impact, without any pain.

And i blew my chance at jogging! I really believe i had good chances of success. That is the only activity that has ever given me both physical exercise and mental discipline. And low enough complication that i can get myself doing it. walking doesn't have the discipline. swimming costs money and is more complicated ...

i want to bash my head on the wall about the stretching. if i had thought carefully, it might have occurred to me that the "regular" stretching (the forced foot flex) was no longer a good idea for me. and done a gentle passive flex on my foot, using my hands instead.

DANG IT!!!

a good sign is the swelling is mild, and the inflammation is responding 100% to arnica application. so i will keep that up rigorously. for a time, i could stress my feet to the point of mild inflammation which however resolved spontaneously without treatment, just rest. i may be back at that point. :( but as such i won't be able to walk extensive distances (let alone jog).

i am just mad, because i am also dieting - trying to lose weight (i am, i have, actually :)) ... but i need to get my LIFE back in gear... and exercise is a major change that i think would really REALLY help that department too, where dieting won't.

Today i had to go to the pharmacy again to pick up my med but I will rest up totally tomorrow and Monday. I have some legal stuff i should get to Tuesday. I might combine it with my pdoc trip Wednesday even though the timing and logistics are not at all convenient. :Sigh:

well... time will tell, i guess. :Sigh:

~ waves ~ waiting and seeing... with arnica and incense at hand.

(((((((HUGS))))))):grouphug::grouphug:

Waves, I hope the pain gets better soon. Somewhere I've heard of people doing something like walking 3 minutes and running one minute. They build up that way. Just a thought for when you able to start back up.

yes, that is a specific training technique
 

Hi Barbara,

that is in fact an actual training technique to build up jogging time gradually but consistently... there is in fact a "time map" that goes with it - if you follow the indications, it will get you to a goal of jogging a certain number of minutes consecutively, within a fixed number of weeks.

i will end up doing something like that... but not as rigorous. for one thing, i am too out of shape to jog for a whole minute yet!!! :D:D:D ... I think might be able to hold out thirty seconds. :D

what i will do is what i have always done when starting... which is similar but is adaptive to my energies and to any physical limitations. of course, it does not guarantee any goal within a given time frame, but that is ok.

what i have done before is this: decide on the total distance/route to be covered. then decide which part of that will serve as initial warm up. i walk that part and then i start jogging until my heart rate gets up and i get a bit too out of breath (hopefully, before i get a stitch). at that point i drop the pace down to a fast walk until my heart rate drops just enough and i am breathing better, then resume jogging.

the initial outings end up being little bits of jogging in between rather long bits of walking. :D :rolleyes:

i also have bail-out rules. if any part of me starts to hurt - i mean like knees, feet, even thigh muscles or ankles, i drop to a comfortable walk and go back, using a short cut if one is available.

thank you for your post. you put a smile on my face. you have helped me feel more positive. like, if not tomorrow, or the next day, i will again get to the point i was at, and have a shot at doing what i need to do, carefully. (and i'll know not to do that particular darn stretch the next time around!)

also i think if i feel any twinges before for any reason, i will forego any planned exercise at all until the next day when any inflammation will have developed fully and i can re-evaluate. i think i made things worse by walking around a lot after the over-stretching. Duhh. :rolleyes:

anyway, thank you, Barbara.

~ waves ~

I'm so sorry you're hurting waves. :hug: I wish I had advice that I knew would work but since I haven't walked in over twenty years I don't get that kind of pain-mine's all in the shoulders and back and thigh/calf muscle. I bet what you're going through is excruciating, I really feel for you hun. :hug:

my left heel has been getting sore on and off, I can't figure out why.
tI feels like it is bruised but I sure don't recall bumpong it or anything...
In the morning it is OK and then later on it starts to hurt and sometimes I can't hardly put weight on it.

Any ideas??

I have chiro appt on Wed so I'll ask him about it then also.

not a pain issue. more about careless stupid sabotage
 

Dear Pam,

Need to clarify. It is not pain I am upset about.

The original traumas produced excruciating pain, yes. The inflammation i have now, due to the overstretch is mild, with mild pain except on direct palpation. Even walking, it is barely perceptible if i walk slowly and wear my running shoes (which are actually hiking shoes).

I am upset about the set back in starting running, or at worst, walking. Just when i had it in me to attempt it - and my feet were fit enough to try.

Based on how long the inflammation takes to resolve completely (an indication of severity), i will know how bad of a setback this is. The thing is, it may be weeks... but possibly even months before i am fit again for regular but extensive walking.

I am mad at myself for not being more careful about the stretching... and for then walking anyway despite the twinge during the stretch!

I am mad because I shot down my exercise program which was to be my get-in-gear program (body discipline to induce mental discipline... and endorphins of course).

anyway, thank you for sympathizing. :)

~ waves ~

Achilles tendonitis, fascitis, or possible spurs
 

Hi Jo,

Well, could be a heel spur... bone outgrowth from the heel.

Another possibility (depending where pain is exactly) is plantar fascitis - inflammation of the muscles and tendon connecting the heel to the rest of the foot (plantar area).

Another possibility is achilles tendonitis (inflammation of achilles tendon - connects heel to leg - activated by flexing and pointing foot).

This can happen simply due to lack of exercise, bad weather, stiffness... in which case, gentle and regular stretching will resolve it. But there are other possible causes of achilles tendonitis, where stretching would not be a good idea. Also, if you have a spur stretching would exacerbate the pain.

So don't try to self-treat by stretching (says she who just stretched her sesamoids out of whack :rolleyes: )

The thing is, with Achilles tendonitis due to simple stiffness, it is more common to have pain in the morning and then as you move around and the tendon naturally stretches a bit, so the pain subsides or vanishes.

I don't like the fact that you are having pain later in the day with activity. Your doc will need to examine you, want an X-ray and possibly other tests if he suspects tendon damage.

FYI, there are some medications known to cause Achilles tendon weakening and even rupture - the commonly prescribed antibiotic Cipro (ciprofloxacin) is one of those. Make sure you tell your doctor every single med you are taking.

So... ideas yes. Certainties, absolutely not. Suggestions... be gentle with your activities until you see your doctor, and... leave the rest to the doctor. ;)

I hope it is something easily resolvable!

~ waves ~ wishing you well

Waves, I'm glad I could put a smile on you face. You will get there with the jogging in time no doubt.

barbara

I miss running... I had quit running as I was walking about 15 miles a day split between my two jobs.

I had just started back running about 2 months before getting hurt... I was up to 3 miles each morning. I used to run 10 miles twice a day....before getting two jobs.

Now I can barely walk to the bathroom.

I hope you find relief soon.

:hug:
Abbie

Thank you, Abbie
 

Dear Abbie,

I see you understand... and i too have missed running ever since i had to stop due to the first injury several years back now. I had only got up to about 5km/day 3-4 times a week at that point. (1 km is 5/8 mile, so i think that's roughly 3 miles.) I was still building up when i went running in the woods and got injured - landed hard on a root with that little tiny sesamoid. I had wanted to get up to 5 miles (MILES not km, lol) at least.

I am so sorry you cannot run any more. :(

I haven't given up yet. If i keep having setbacks I might have to face that music too. But not ready to do that yet. :cool:

Thank you so much for your hopeful post and wishes. :)

And hang in there, overall. :hug: You are sounding good tonight btw :) but i know from firsthand experience that not all is apparent through the way one posts. I hope you are as well as can be, all things considered.

~ waves ~

Thank you Waves... yes, all things considered... I am feeling "ok". Still have high stress level that is causing me some problems...

As long as I remember to breathe... I will be ok.

Time will only tell about the rest... it is truly out of my hands...I just can't seem to let it go.

:hug:
Abbie...

P.S.... I have a brand new pair of $250.00 running shoes that I have never got to wear... I tried them on once. Maybe I will put them in a display case in honor of the days gone by....

Dear Waves,

I hear you about being frustrated about not being able to run, esp after planning and mind preparing for it.

I grew up with a bunch of runners and running was their life blood in a way.


'Sending you healing vibes.

M.

Abbie
 

ROFLOL ... You're funny! :D

That sounds cool, actually.

I'm not sure if seeing them would make me feel better or worse though. I guess there's only one way for you to find out... do it... easy enough to take them out again! ;):)

~ waves ~

Dear Abbie,
I would give anything to see a pic of those $250.00 running shoes!

What brand? What color? And what were you planning when you bought them?? ;)
Do ever wear them as walking shoes just around or when company comes to the house?

I like thinking about cool shoes even though I only wear Birkenstocks (foot issue resolved mostly now) and SAS sneakers for walking and working at the gym.

M.

They are Nike, Light Baby Blue with Dark Blue trim... They are a shiney patent leather, with coil springs (3 each) heals.


I bought them about 5 days after I got hurt. How was I to know that I would never run again :confused:


For about the last year I have not been able to wear a shoe that ties... I mostly wear Crocs--Mammoth type.... The type that have a fluffy lining. My feet swell so much and are so cold that these are the only shoes that I can wear that don't cause a huge increase in my pain.


I will see if I have a pic of them somewhere... IF not... I will take one if I can find where I put them... (I know they are in a box somewhere in my closet.)


I really miss running...:(

Abbie

Sound pretty nifty! :) A pic will be cool. They will be immortalized in our minds as part of your athletic essence! (Or you could use them as an avatar on occasion. You know the origins of the word avatar... right? A different face of a god or personality?

if it's alright for me to ask... what happened... how did you get hurt?

:hug::hug::hug:

(me too. :()

~ waves ~

hugs to you today
((((HUGS))))
beth

Good News
 

My foot improved yesterday and even a bit more today.

Quit using the cream as of Sunday (i was forgetting) but
- swelling gone
- no twinges in the tendon yesterday as i had through saturday

I didn't palpate the area properly the past few days to avoid stress, but i did tonight and the response was only mild pain. To direct palpation that is very good!

Tomorrow will be a stress test as i will have to walk and stand on it, possibly on a moving transit. I have decided to break up my trips so as to have rest in between:
- just pdoc tomorrow as usual
- just long trip for legal stupid stuff on thursday.

Anyway, this is better than i expected. I was concerned about needing therapy again.

Well... wish me luck in my travels... and that i find seating!!!

Also wish me luck for the legal thing. if i cannot get them to "see reason" in person, i will have to use the formal procedure... i.e. a bunch of persuasive writing, paperwork/forms, travel, consultations with someone who understands the legalese here, plus plenty of walletwork in fees and registerd mail.... an overall nuisance!!!!

That stuff is causing me high anxiety. :(

But i am still much more hopeful about my feet now! :)

~ waves ~ waddling around still, somewhat :D

Jo can it be a spur? I had one taken off years ago.

Waves, I never jogged, I walked when I first went into police work. If I tried to jog my asthma killed me. I went through the police academy at 32 years old and three kids, could Walk in a faster time then JOG, lol.

But the new exersize tech I have been involuntary doing would crack you up. The ds bought dgs a TRAMPOLINE!!!!! YEp a fairly big one. Dgs and I get on it and OMG is it funny. I was laughing so hard and heaven help me, with the impact as I jumped I swore I was going to pee my pants. I had to roll off and go tinkle fast.

So far I have avoided the camera. If I am sitting on it, Connor will jump so hard I fly up in the air. I do find it kills the herniations and bad back, but wow, if I just bounce easy, the core strength part I feel it.

OH, I always did aqua therapy for walking when I had the knee surgery. It was great to have no weight bearing and the resistance to the water is good for a healthy work out,

Hope you feel better, :hug:
di

Dear Waves,
 

I wish you luck in your traveling and in your legal journey.
And stay hopeful about your feet now. They can come through for you.

As sung by Bobby Dylan and a few others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSpAWVa4Jak

M.

I like those words Mari

I will keep you in my thoughts Waves

Donna:grouphug:

welll...
 

today was a horrible day :(

everything went crooked. i ended up early for the bus, messed up my connections and ended up at pdoc's half an hour late. :(

i was also a frantic royal mess so the session was unproductive and upsetting with 3 interruptions in that half hour. the stupid patient after me got there fifteen minutes EARLY so the doc had to stop to buzz them in, was one. grr.

as for my feet... :Sigh:
they did hurt some when i walked or stood, although not immediately.

i had a medium beer before coming home and as i drink exactly once a week now... sometimes less, it was enough to produce an anesthetic effect. :rolleyes::p

well that's enough whining. i just wrote a couple of other (hopefully more useful posts) and used up my whinergy i guess. just as well. :o

ooooh ... Di... no... not a spur. this isn't a "totally" new thing. re-inflammation (after past trauma) of a very small bone - actually, there are two, very close together, called sesamoids. They sit in a groove in the tendon right under the ball of your foot. That tendon controls flexing and pointing action of the foot. the tiny bones have a kind of pulley effect and streamline the movement. before i was to go out to try running on friday, i stretched as one ought and as i always did. it didn't occur to me to be more gentle with the flex-stretch. i inadvertently overstretched the tendon and the area got reinflamed. the balls of my feet now hurt a little when i walk on them for a while. the sesamoids hurt if pressed directly.

anyway, thanks everyone.

:grouphug:

~ waves ~

Dear waves, it sounds like a crummy day.
I am sorry for the transportation mishap....
and then your missing half of your pdoc appointment...
sigh
(((((HUGS)))))
beth

Dear Waves,

In your earlier post about your feet you sounded hopeful. I send more hope that the feet find ways to improve.

The travel travails sound crummy.

Do you have a few days in a row where you can stay home and not have to test your feet?

M.

I hope your feet get feeling better again, give it a little time.

My heel is slowly getting better, I got some nice walking shoes with air in the sole for extra cushioning and that seems to be helping.
They were even on sale!
Gentle stretching and keeping my ankles/legs moving /loose helps.

Thanks for giving me the info on things to check out more information on.
:grouphug:

Dear Beth,

Thanks for your comforting words and for the hug. :)

Dear Donna,

Thank you for thinking of me. :) This must seem like such a small thing compared to what some people go through, but it has a broad impact and it is making me feel so frustrated... and mixing in with other frustrations.

Dear Mari,

Well first i want to say i really appreciated the quote you posted for me also. Today i FINALLY managed to listen to the song. :)

As far as getting rest days for the feet... well, yesterday i called the office where i have to try to sort out the stupid legal stuff, and they assured me they could take care of it without further ado on my part, so i am now only bound by the official solicitation deadline (2 weeks left now). however it will eat my nerves until it is done with, you know?

anyway, i didn't go today for ... way too many reasons than i care to mention, caused by my own idiocy. Anyway a break was in order today since my hurt too, perhaps from keeping slightly bent and to take pressure off my feet when i had to stand on transits... my ankles were achey too, again probably due to modified posture. if i wake up early tomorrow, i may go, otherwise, i will go monday (maybe by then with clean hair too? :o)

so in general, since i only have my pdoc, yes, i can get several rest in between outings. plus pdoc goes on vacation for 3 weeks after next week. :( then i will get plenty of rest.

Dear Jo,

I'm glad you found shoes that seem to be reducing the pain. Also, the fact that gentle stretching is helpful is also actually a very good sign - just be careful.

You had mentioned a chiro visit ... did you ask about your feet? What did s/he have to say?

:grouphug:

~ waves ~ feeling so tired

I have to say, nothing about hurting feet or foot is minor.

So I am in sympathy with anyone having the problems.

I know its still something I'm dealing with.

Waves :)

I hope you start to have less aching soon. And that something starts
to give on this.


Jo mar

I have to say that if you have located shoes that are helping remember
what kind they are. They maybe a godsend for you for years to come.

I'm still looking for some tennis shoes I can wear for more than a couple
of hours without sore feet.

I'm also trying to figure out how to go about working through the feet
problems. They just seem to stay. Mine were doing what I hoped were
better. But then when I need to wear the tennis shoes, I know just
how wrong I am.

I am giving up hope that I'll ever be able to walk for long again.

Its very discouraging.

I am guessing I'll end up back at the foot doctor in August or Sept for
another cortisone shot.

Starting to feel the need in the part of my foot.

Donna

Dear Donna
 

Thank you for your support as well as the advice you give about footwear. It is true a single pair of shoes can be a treasure for years to come when we have a problem with the feet - i have experienced this!

I am sorry to hear that you have foot troubles too, and might have to give up walking. :( I hope that does not turn out to be the case.

~ waves ~

Donna, it is puzzeling to me that tennis shoes hurt your feet. usually it is the other way around. could it have to do with arch support? maybe theese shoes need to be a different style of tennis shoe?
sorry that you toohavve foot problems, I wish I could help you guys out with advice but I don't have any suggestions for you....:(

The shoes I got are Reebok Walkers.

Pink Ribbon Ultimate Walk

http://www.reebok.com/US/#/product?m...icleId=R875197

arch support
 

Beth

arch support is extremely important if one has a high arch. If you wear flat shoes and do not have arch support it puts too much pressure on other parts of the foot, can irritate tendons, muscles, all kinds of stuff... even cause back problems or headaches!

I have a very high arch. I have the WORST time buying sneakers, almost NOTHING fits me right. I won't buy a shoe (any shoe) unless it fits up snug in the arch. Never have, either, but this is quite an endeavor.

Donna

if you have a high arch and you do not feel your tennis shoes fitting right up snug in there... they are not healthy shoes for you :( and indeed would cause more pain.

Jo

cool looking shoes! hopefully will help ease your heel troubles. :)

(unfortunately, from their list of characteristics, they would seem to be the antithesis of what my foot would need ;):D:o)

To each his own! :)

~ waves ~

Oh waves I have no idea of the thingy majiggies that hurt you. I wondered if Jo had a spur, I had one taken out, filed down years ago.

I hope that yor juxtaposition in life lessens. It takes too much brain power to deal with a full platter of side dishes of life.
Hugs
Di :hug:

I didn't realize that shoes not fitting for a high arch could be so bad for one. I too have a high arch.

How are you today?

barbara

update ... prognosis ... treatment?
 

Thanks guys...

My feet are improving as far as walking in the house and short-distances, however it is apparent recovery will take 6-12 months (based on rest alone with gradual retraining - no therapy).

The left foot has mild pain on palpation which is not good news. The right foot is ok on palpation, but not totally insensitive: squeezing hard (well beyond what a doctor does!) hurts just a little. I do need to be careful to bear my weight evenly between the feet so as not to worsen the 'ok' one, especially when the other one starts hurting.

Once again, I will have to build up on walking and eventually build up stress resistance as tolerance allows. That's how it goes with this type of injury: once you get hurt in this area... it is extremely delicate and susceptible to relapse due to any excessive stress.

:Sigh:

Were i to find work and thus use public transits daily, the inflammation would likely worsen to intolerability within two weeks (been there, done that :(). It is ironically fortunate :confused: that a job is unlikely at this time. However, in that event, i might go for magnetic therapy and/or ultrasound again to address the problem before i end up with a severe relapse.

I hate that this has fallen into my lap all over again! Because of a darn STRETCH. ARGHHH. :Bang-Head:

That's about it folks. It will be a long haul. There won't be day to day changes unless i go and trip and fall on the edge of some stupid step again, like i did with the second injury! :rolleyes: And I better not do that. :rolleyes::crazy:

It has also crossed my mind to request therapy right away... it could reduce the recovery time... some. Some rest is still best. The therapy is not free but not out of range.

Thank you all for being here.

:grouphug:

~ waves ~

Requessting therapy early sounds like a good idea.
I am sorry that you have to go thru all over again, must be very frustrating for you.
(((((HUGS)))))
beth