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aprilfools 07-27-2009 08:24 PM

Neurontin
 
Hello everyone

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Is it ok to self adjust the amount of neurontin? Is it possibel to take to much my Neuro has me on 400 2xs a day and 500 at bedtime. If I increase will it do any harm? Im also taking Valium 3 xs aday how long can I stay on this? It is helping and I actually have even lost the high feeling I was getting at first is that normal?? Im not new to MS Im just new to this nerve pain stuff.

thanks
Lisa

tkrik 07-27-2009 10:37 PM

I've been taking Neurontin for several years. I'm only on 900 mg a day. That is my max for it.

The "high" feeling lessens and you don't get that effect anymore.

How much are you thinking of increasing it by? I would discuss it with your dr 1st. I only increase during breakthrough pain and spinal flares by taking 600 mg in the am and 600 in the pm. I can only do that for a day or 2.

doydie 07-27-2009 10:45 PM

When I first went on a med close to what Neurontin is I had to increase the dose with Drs help until pain subsided. Then we backed off until I was still pain free. So now I know if I have breakthrough pain how much I can increase temporarily. Example: I started out with 1 pill, gradually increased to 5 a day. By backing down to 3 a day I was still pain free. So now I know I can safely take two more pills if I need it. I know though that if I had to do that quite often I would need to call her.

Word of advice, each time I increased a pill I would have the fuzzy feelings for several days.

meadowbrook07 07-28-2009 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aprilfools (Post 543286)
Hello everyone

more questions

Is it ok to self adjust the amount of neurontin? Is it possibel to take to much my Neuro has me on 400 2xs a day and 500 at bedtime. If I increase will it do any harm? Im also taking Valium 3 xs aday how long can I stay on this? It is helping and I actually have even lost the high feeling I was getting at first is that normal?? Im not new to MS Im just new to this nerve pain stuff.

thanks
Lisa

How do you function, Lisa with that dosage during the day?

Jason

aprilfools 07-28-2009 09:11 AM

Thanks guys, I incresead it by 1 and it stoped the pain so I guess thats all I needed but by reading your replys I am way over what you guys were already taking. but I didnt get that buzzed feeling from it so I am just going to roll with it for now. I cant afford another trip to the Neuro. ::(

tkrik 07-28-2009 09:42 AM

I think the highest dosage for Neurontin is something like 3600 mg a day. They titrate you up to 1800 mg and go from there. So what you are taking is fine. And, if it works for you at that dosage that's fantastic.

For me, I never made it up that far and have sufficient relieve from the nerve pain at 900 mg a day.

aprilfools 07-28-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by meadowbrook07 (Post 543519)
How do you function, Lisa with that dosage during the day?

Jason

I function fine actually which is kinda strange. I dont know if you saw the part that I am also talking Valium with it. I think some drugs have alot of reverse functions to my system, I know I took Nyquil once and only once and I couldnt sleep all night it had me so wired.

aprilfools 07-28-2009 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tkrik (Post 543550)
I think the highest dosage for Neurontin is something like 3600 mg a day. They titrate you up to 1800 mg and go from there. So what you are taking is fine. And, if it works for you at that dosage that's fantastic.

For me, I never made it up that far and have sufficient relieve from the nerve pain at 900 mg a day.

wow im not even close to the 3600 a day so I wont worry about that. I think I will stick to my 5 5 6 and see what happens from there. Im not sure if you saw my other post but I thought for sure I was dieing I ended up going to the ER my head was burning so bad. the funny part of all of that was my Neuro happened to be the one on call that night. oooppps that was a very expensive trip to the er I didnt even need. I now have his cell phone number in case of something ever happens like this again. I guess this is all part of the learning experience we all get from the wonderful monster.

soxmom 07-28-2009 10:03 AM

I take 600mg 3 to 4 x a day ....it depends on the day but generally 3 times.
I think you are safe as long as its okayed by doc.:)

SallyC 07-28-2009 11:13 AM

Just be sure to up your dose slowly and with your Doc's OK..:hug:

P.S. You may want to wean yourself off of the Valium. It really shouln't be taken long term.

coletaterbug 07-28-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aprilfools (Post 543286)
Hello everyone

more questions

Is it ok to self adjust the amount of neurontin? Is it possibel to take to much my Neuro has me on 400 2xs a day and 500 at bedtime. If I increase will it do any harm? Im also taking Valium 3 xs aday how long can I stay on this? It is helping and I actually have even lost the high feeling I was getting at first is that normal?? Im not new to MS Im just new to this nerve pain stuff.

thanks
Lisa


I take 1200 mg 2x a day and 1600 at night and I take 2mg valium twice a day. Not to mention Zanaflex, Baclofen, Noritylan, Tramodal on top of it.
I wish I could lower my medications I asked the doctor and he said maybe at a later date but I had to switch doctors for insurance purposes and he don't know me that much. Side effects vary, weight gain is really bad with Neurontin I know this for a fact, so it varies per person I guess but I would always check with your doctor if you was still having nerve pain. Hth and hugs.:hug:

aprilfools 07-29-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by coletaterbug (Post 544036)
I take 1200 mg 2x a day and 1600 at night and I take 2mg valium twice a day. Not to mention Zanaflex, Baclofen, Noritylan, Tramodal on top of it.
I wish I could lower my medications I asked the doctor and he said maybe at a later date but I had to switch doctors for insurance purposes and he don't know me that much. Side effects vary, weight gain is really bad with Neurontin I know this for a fact, so it varies per person I guess but I would always check with your doctor if you was still having nerve pain. Hth and hugs.:hug:

I talked to my Neuro yesterday and he told me if it helped do it.. He did tell me he wants to wean me off the Valium which I am not to happy about it is a very relaxing drug for me he is switching me to amatipaline (spell) which as long as it works thats fine by me. I can understand how people do get addicted to valium though it is a all over good feeling. And the weight gain I know to well about I was on it about a year ago much smaller dose and put on 15 pounds Im allread overweight so what the heck probably wont even notice :D

Lady 07-29-2009 11:17 PM

Hi aprilfools,
I am one who has been on 3600 mg of Neurontin when I was in relapse and everything would worsen on me, so I needed the extra boost. I weaned back down to 2400 mg or even 1800 mg when the relapse was over, in a few months.

I had been on it since 2001, starting dose with 100 mg at night. I was told to increase it if I felt it was helping with sensory symptoms, it did. The draw back was feeling dopey in the day, so I took it at night in the beginning.

I knew when my body wanted it, it is addictive too, IMO. When it didn't seem like it was helping anymore I increased it, with doctors orders, to get control of all the weird sensory feelings (things I felt and the doctor could not see.)

Numbness, MS hug, buzzing, wet pant leg feeling, shocks, and more. I had to increase it to get the sensory feelings to go away. The years past and the amount was high, and it just stopped working. He tried to switch me to Lyrica, but I felt worse on it, I don't know why, because it helps many people, but not me though.

So after the 6 years on it, I gave up and weaned myslef downward and off. It took almost a year to do that. My body was craving it, really. So slow was the way I had to do it. I was not on Valium, never tried it ever.

I just looked at all the drugs I have taken over the years and decided, this is crazy. Why so many? Are they helping or causing more problems that need more medication to remedy?

So I went off everything. At least I am not doped up in the day any more or have a drughangover in the morning. Not waking up feeling refreshed because I pop more pills when I wake and I got dopey or brain fogg, and cognitive issues, more than I needed to add to my slight cognitive issues I already have. :rolleyes:

Any changes you make in medication, you should consult your doctor first. You might be given them for other purposes than I took them for.
Maybe this helps you or others, I don't know. It is just my thoughts on this.

BTW, I never gained an once on Neurontin, we are all different.

I gained weight when I worked, with the stress I popped junk food all day. Then I lost it over the years by not buying junk food. Chocolate isn't junk is it? :D My one love. Dark chocolate. But in moderation.

sabimax 07-30-2009 08:07 AM

lady so are you on no meds now..?? for any nerve pain or reg pain.??? curious... I am on neurontin for nerve pain.. and baclofen for stiff spasticity pain.... now getting more stiffness pain... not sure I want to up baclofen.. as I know if call they will say go for it... not a med taking person so hmm hugss,sarah

aprilfools 07-30-2009 09:04 PM

Oh wow you described everything that had been going on with me for the past few months with a burning head to boot.. The Neurontin does help alot and uping the does did the trick and my Neuro was totally fine with it.

Thanks everyone for your replies everyone is so nice on this site
Lisa

Lady 07-31-2009 01:59 AM

Lisa, I am glad it works for you. I hope it keeps working for you.:)

Sarah, I am only on 3.0 mg LDN and 1 Klonopin .5 mg every 12 hours. I am working on reducing the Klonopin, but it is hard. I have been on it since 1981 4 x a day. I got it to two a day so far. I take things very slow. Withdrawals are tough.

The LDN helps a lot with pain. The Klonopin was for tremors.

braingonebad 07-31-2009 06:52 AM

April - you really should consult the doc before going up in dose with any med. If for no other reason than you may run out before your script is up, and he won't understand why.

If you cannot get in to see him at least call.

Lady - I was in the same boat. I was on 9-10 meds and started getting worse. Had a big flare of insomnia on top of everything, could not sleep more than a couple hours for months.

Got off everything I took daily but topamax (and kept my migraine rescue for as needed use).

I only take two meds daily, still. Guess if the meds actually worked and did not create worse side effects than the original problem, they'd be worth taking - until then, this is how I do it.

aprilfools 07-31-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady (Post 545274)
Lisa, I am glad it works for you. I hope it keeps working for you.:)

Sarah, I am only on 3.0 mg LDN and 1 Klonopin .5 mg every 12 hours. I am working on reducing the Klonopin, but it is hard. I have been on it since 1981 4 x a day. I got it to two a day so far. I take things very slow. Withdrawals are tough.

The LDN helps a lot with pain. The Klonopin was for tremors.

What is LDN I keep seeing discusions about it but no clue as to what it really is I am offically done with all interferons I cant handle the 2 days of being sicker than a dog and the copaxone never worked for me. What other options are there for us??

Lady 08-04-2009 11:46 PM

Lisa, LDN is short for Low Dose Naltrexone. We have a thread way up top, on the main page, that says LDN Infromation and check-in part 2. We discuss the drug and how we are doing on it. There are other drugs discussed up there also.

LDN had been helping many of us and it cost very little a month. It is a pill you take a bedtime. That's it. You need to get a Neuro or a PCP doctor to prescribe it for you, and then get it from a compounding pharmacy, like maybe Skip's by mail in Florida.

Here is the website to what LDN is all about. Many on here have taken it for 4 to 6 years. I am new to it, almost 8 months now. It has helped me greatly.

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

dmplaura 08-05-2009 01:25 AM

I think everyone has a different story with their medications, but my doctor indicated to me that over 300mg of Neurontin daily has very diminishing returns for nerve pain.

Granted, it didn't really help me even at higher amounts, and I no longer take it (tapering off it sucked).

barb02 08-05-2009 07:45 AM

Tapering off of neurontin does SUCK! Plus I am sure now that I did it too quckly (based on neuro's instructions). I was up to 2700 mg and the burning feeling on the top of my head returned. It has been 2 1/2 weeks without any neurontin and I still am going through withdrawl. I may try lyrica in the future, but I am going to try to survive without it for a few months first. Be careful in increasaing it to much I went from 900 mg to 2700 mg in a two year period. I just did not want to increase it again. It is a highly addictive drug.

aprilfools 08-05-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by barb02 (Post 547708)
Tapering off of neurontin does SUCK! Plus I am sure now that I did it too quckly (based on neuro's instructions). I was up to 2700 mg and the burning feeling on the top of my head returned. It has been 2 1/2 weeks without any neurontin and I still am going through withdrawl. I may try lyrica in the future, but I am going to try to survive without it for a few months first. Be careful in increasaing it to much I went from 900 mg to 2700 mg in a two year period. I just did not want to increase it again. It is a highly addictive drug.

Maybe I am still not taking enough appatently the burning has returned full speed not to mention I have had 2 falls in the past 4 days one that I land form 3 steps up onto my garage floor. My knee looks quiet lovely I miight say.

My Neuro is on vacation cant get a hold of him my normal PCP wont do anything because they dont have enough history on me I had just switched becuase my other doctor is the one who sent me to see my eye doctor the day I woke up with double vision and i was told by him it was just a problem with my eyes ya right... So now I have made a appointment with an actual ms Clinic here in the Seattle area maybe they can get me in the right direction. I swear if something doesnt work soon I will loose my mind all together Nerve pain has to be the worse thing I have ever experienced and I just want to feel better. :smileypray:

dmplaura 08-05-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aprilfools (Post 547886)
My Neuro is on vacation cant get a hold of him my normal PCP wont do anything because they dont have enough history on me

Are you kidding? Your GP should be able to prescribe Neurontin and increase your dose. It's habit forming but the abuse potential isn't there, and as far as I know neither is a street value (well, maybe for those with pain etc, but then most would be reaching for the green leafy!).

aprilfools 08-05-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dmplaura (Post 547900)
Are you kidding? Your GP should be able to prescribe Neurontin and increase your dose. It's habit forming but the abuse potential isn't there, and as far as I know neither is a street value (well, maybe for those with pain etc, but then most would be reaching for the green leafy!).

iM STARTING TO THINK THE GREEN LEAFY MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA :)


I see people talking about how it helps so much with the pain I myself have never tried it but crap how many other meds can someone be on. Im going to ask the Ms clinic about LDN and see what they say about that it looks like alot of people have really good results with it so maybe that might be an option for me I know the Copaxone didnt work and I cant tolerate the Avonex at all theres nothing like having a 2 day hangover. they say you adjust to it well Ive been trying for a year now and still havent adjusted so that is now out the door also. Tysabri cant afford the portion I would have to pay, so thats not a option. Maybe I can get on a trial med they do that at the clinic I will be going to so maybe I can get involved in one of them and not have to pay for all of this stuff I havent worked since last July and money is running very thin in this household.


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