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reverett123 12-30-2007 05:08 PM

Group housing
 
I was asked if I knew anything about group housing as an alternative for PWP who have no caregivers. Since I did not, I thought I would raise the subject here and see if anyone had ideas.

For my own part, I would think a boarding house model might work with the size being critical. Enough people to make the shared cost of someone to help out inside and out and out in the world. But not so big as to be institutional. A lot of us will have a lot of years where such an arrangement would be all we need.

Thoughts?

chasmo 12-30-2007 05:41 PM

an often discussed idea
 
some of us have had this thought for years. A hotel/motel would be perfect, or a trailer park with a bunch of travel trailers. There are smaller hospitals/rest homes sitting vacant.

It would need to be big enough to support a kitchen and a nurse, (to insure people got their meds on time. A half assisted living, half nursing home would be ideal, I think.

ALL it takes is money. I figure about $500-750K would get you going.


Charlie

reverett123 12-30-2007 06:19 PM

trailer park idea is interesting
 
Especially since it is the one I know something about. :)

Advantages-
1) You would own your own trailer and rent the space. This preserves the dignity of some independence.
2) The park could be owned by a corporation which would, in turn, be owned jointly by the residents. They pay rent to the corporation which then pays the bank.
3) For $500,000 you should be able to buy an existing park with 20 spaces in a decent location. Standard financing would require $100,000 down. So if 20 people are in that means they come up with $5000 each to start.
4) Monthly payments would run about $3000 or so. $150/month.
5) I am basing the scenario on a park I am familiar with and it has a young couple who live in a trailer furnished by the park. They mow and maintain and manage for their rent plus $400/month. A similar arrangement should be possible and duties to include cooking one meal per day for 20 added. Say $600/month. $30 each.
6) So that comes to $180/month each so far. Add in cost of food etc and you probably get close to $400 or so. Wild guess on that BTW.

So it is doable strictly by numbers. Reality might be harder though.

vlhperry 12-30-2007 06:54 PM

There is a Parkinson's Residential Center in Minnesota
 
Please check out the following link:

https://www.parkinsonsspecialtycare....Residence.html

Vicky

paula_w 12-30-2007 07:12 PM

I've been around like Charlie has and heard a desire from many but location is a problem right away. And mobile homes (I just moved out and will sell a modular home in a retirement community in Florida[Nate doesn't qualify and the families usually get smaller not bigger...lol interesting experience- life is pretty crazy sometimes.] and it was sizable, but moisture is a big problem and we are breathing much better down here on the river in a townhouse.

Keep thinking - many have been interested and there are a few places - i just don't remember where.

this site comm looks very clinical.

thanks for bringing it up Rick.

paula

reverett123 12-30-2007 08:57 PM

Assuming that the goal is to fill the space...
 
...between true independence and the institution (a period that might last years or decades), there would be certain needs to be met-
1-affordability
2-companionship
3-privacy
4-nutrition, including shopping, cooking, cleanup
5-housecleaning
6-maintenance
7-transportation
8-recreation, internet

while the trailer park is an answer in rural areas, in urban areas the old time boarding house might do it.

lou_lou 12-30-2007 11:20 PM

the state wont fund -trailers for medicaid patients...
 
a trailer "Parkie" -

the state of MO. will pay for nursing care to some degree - however -
if you are on medicaid it's free - small one bedroom home - cheap...
one bedroom for one tenant - 2 bedrooms -two tennants.
I have neighbors that are extremely mentally challenged so much so they must have 24 hour a day care - the state pays for the housing, and they must have male nurses, because they can be confrontational and do not know their own strength - the idea of state nursing homes is changing.

my next door neighbor works for the state of corrections -as a RN
her job is to keep the murderers with mental illness - medicated all day -
so they arent able to be a harm to themselves or others...
I would not be able to have that job? :eek:

thankyou anyway - humanitarian thinking is great...

chasmo 12-31-2007 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reverett123 (Post 181455)
Especially since it is the one I know something about. :)

Advantages-
1) You would own your own trailer and rent the space. This preserves the dignity of some independence.
2) The park could be owned by a corporation which would, in turn, be owned jointly by the residents. They pay rent to the corporation which then pays the bank.
3) For $500,000 you should be able to buy an existing park with 20 spaces in a decent location. Standard financing would require $100,000 down. So if 20 people are in that means they come up with $5000 each to start.
4) Monthly payments would run about $3000 or so. $150/month.
5) I am basing the scenario on a park I am familiar with and it has a young couple who live in a trailer furnished by the park. They mow and maintain and manage for their rent plus $400/month. A similar arrangement should be possible and duties to include cooking one meal per day for 20 added. Say $600/month. $30 each.
6) So that comes to $180/month each so far. Add in cost of food etc and you probably get close to $400 or so. Wild guess on that BTW.

So it is doable strictly by numbers. Reality might be harder though.

there are lots of expenses that we have not mentioned. Insurance, transportation, food costs, etc. It could get expensive in a hurry!

Charlie


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