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lurkingforacure 12-28-2010 08:08 PM

high fat diet, sodium, and potassium
 
Could not help but marvel at Rick's post today about these two....

We just started the high fat diet sunday, have lost four pounds already. Not too much change in symptoms but hey, we're on day three and yesterday there was a small slip (ate an eggroll, oh no!), so I think, so far, so good.

In researching this diet, one thing I read was that many years ago, we ate foods that were high in potassium and quite low in sodium. Humans did quite well on that diet. But now, as we all know, that is reversed in exponential amount. We eat a ton of salt, it's in everything, and very little potassium. Some quick research on these two and you see how the balance reversing in this way is not good.

One of the things about the high fat diet is it is naturally lower in sodium than a normal diet, which probably explains the initial weight loss (water) from less sodium being eaten. My humble opinion, of course. But perhaps this is one of the ways that it helps, besides throwing the body into ketosis, it gets the body closer to the natural potassium/sodium balance it should have.

This high fat diet, by the way, is not really compatible with the "Minding My Mitochondria" diet we were doing. That diet is very high in veggies and fruits: with the high fat diet, you eat one fruit and you've blown all the carbs you get for the day. Forget about a fruit smoothie. Since the high fat diet is and has been used with some astonishing success for epilepsy, and at least one study of PWP showing 43% improvement after only 28 days on the diet, we are going for the high fat diet and going off the high veggie/fruit one. For now. Will keep everyone posted as we go, I have read this diet is very hard to stick with.

imark3000 12-29-2010 02:51 AM

add hard exercise in the morning
 
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Originally Posted by lurkingforacure (Post 729527)
Could not help but marvel at Rick's post today about these two....

We just started the high fat diet sunday, have lost four pounds already. Not too much change in symptoms but hey, we're on day three and yesterday there was a small slip (ate an eggroll, oh no!), so I think, so far, so good.

In researching this diet, one thing I read was that many years ago, we ate foods that were high in potassium and quite low in sodium. Humans did quite well on that diet. But now, as we all know, that is reversed in exponential amount. We eat a ton of salt, it's in everything, and very little potassium. Some quick research on these two and you see how the balance reversing in this way is not good.

One of the things about the high fat diet is it is naturally lower in sodium than a normal diet, which probably explains the initial weight loss (water) from less sodium being eaten. My humble opinion, of course. But perhaps this is one of the ways that it helps, besides throwing the body into ketosis, it gets the body closer to the natural potassium/sodium balance it should have.

This high fat diet, by the way, is not really compatible with the "Minding My Mitochondria" diet we were doing. That diet is very high in veggies and fruits: with the high fat diet, you eat one fruit and you've blown all the carbs you get for the day. Forget about a fruit smoothie. Since the high fat diet is and has been used with some astonishing success for epilepsy, and at least one study of PWP showing 43% improvement after only 28 days on the diet, we are going for the high fat diet and going off the high veggie/fruit one. For now. Will keep everyone posted as we go, I have read this diet is very hard to stick with.

The idea covered in other threads is to exercise when the body is starved of glucose which drives the liver to produce ketons used by brain cells as alternative fuel instead of glucose which it cannot process. I take about 2 spoons of coconut oil after getting up in the morning, exercise for an hour burning about 500 calories and then take a heavy breakfast including corn flakes, 2 fryed eggs, piece of brown bread , cheese, nuts and dryed fruits , supplements and sinemet !
This has been working well for me and I call it my own modified ketonic diet!.
Imad

Jim091866 12-29-2010 05:07 PM

ketogenic diet
 
the diet mentioned is the ketogenic diet which is primarily proteins and fats, no carbs. While this sounds good- the article discusses how it has neuroprotective potential. It does not seem as though this would be manageable with PD and the amount of protein that you would be consuming.

reverett123 12-29-2010 07:35 PM

urban myth, sort of
 
According to Doc Lieberman, the protein problem is exagerrated and applies to about1 in 4 of us. I have always done best with lots of protein. Others can't handle it at all.

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Originally Posted by Jim0918 (Post 729753)
the diet mentioned is the ketogenic diet which is primarily proteins and fats, no carbs. While this sounds good- the article discusses how it has neuroprotective potential. It does not seem as though this would be manageable with PD and the amount of protein that you would be consuming.


lurkingforacure 12-30-2010 04:52 PM

protein
 
On this diet, I don't think you really get so much protein that it would interfere with sinemet, it's mostly fat. I read the one they one on the severely epileptic kids is close to 80% fat, which would only give you 10/10 for carbs and protein. That's not much at all.

We've found all food interferes with sinemet, not just protein. But we're giving this a go anyway. We're finding it's actually hard to eat this much fat!


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