Originally Posted by CTenaLouise (Post 554705)

Another portent of things to come if we give the government control of our health care: home visits to force immunization. Folks, this is not mad conspiracy theory - read the bill yourself (615 pages, so far)

Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct 'Interventions' in Private Homes Thursday, July 16, 2009 By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief
(CNSNews.com) - There is a knock at the front door. Peeking through the window, a mother sees a man and a woman, both in uniform. They are agents of health-care reform.

Originally Posted by Conductor71 (Post 554906)

Hi,

I appreciate that given the nebulous nature of how we contracted PD in the first place, many of us suspect or fear vaccinations. It's good for us to question the status quo. However, we should also be willing to open our minds to the possibility that misinformation may be the basis for our skepticism. Where does the CNS News source find this information, specifically that "State Vaccine Teams to Conduct 'Interventions' in Private Homes"? If one links to the actual bill; this is the exact wording provided:

‘‘(E) providing for home visits that promote immunization through education, assessments of need, referrals, provision of immunizations, or other services;"


Is there another section that I am missing on this topic? I interpret this in an entirely different light. Home visits to promote, refer, provide or other "services". Services, does not to me, equate with enforcing immunization; instead, I see it as funding provision to educate people. Keep in mind, states, have the option to use use funding for this purpose, not the mandate to enforce vaccination- nowhere does it state that the CDC has the right to enter homes with the intent to inject citizens. The bill simply spells out funding options at the state level; I don' fear that the immunization police will show at my doorstep, but I do fear that people who choose not to vaccinate their children may be creating some very serious problems that only future generations will know.

If parents continue not to vaccinate, I hate to see what sort of diseases will have a welcome mat, if not an open door, not only years from now, but as we speak. Didn't we just discuss how avian flu may provide a pathway to PD through inflammation of cells? Isn't the deadly flu strain of 1918, as a killer of millions, linked to people "awakening" years later to PD?

From the World Health Organization:

"Vaccines are among the most important medical interventions for reducing illness and deaths during a pandemic...During the 1957 and 1968 pandemics, vaccines arrived too late to be used as an effective mitigation tool during the more severe phases of the pandemics. Influenza vaccines had not yet been developed when the 1918 pandemic swept around the world, eventually killing an estimated 50 million people."

Can the vaccine be both villain and hero? You bet, all depending on our perspective. Let's look at this through the lens of living with PD. Let's say scientists establish without a doubt that viral infections cause PD for some people. Would any one of us, knowing what we do now, turn down a vaccine that prevented this causative flu strain? Would we want our grandchildren to forgo this intervention? I'm already compromised, but I'd like to know that someone is looking out for my son and future generations. Many of us may opt out of any vaccination, but isn't that because we look at it from a healthy person's perspective- my likelihood of contracting xyz disease is low, so the vaccine itself becomes the villain. I bet a person who contracted Polio might see it see it quite differently- the risk in the vaccine itself would most likely take a back seat to the larger benefit of disease prevention.

Just some of my thoughts as devil's advocate,

Laura

Originally Posted by stevem53 (Post 555162)

The way I see it..Every President, Democrat or Republican caters to the big corporations..They finance the campaigns, so they get taken care of, and we get the leftover crumbs..Where theres big money, theres lots of influence and power..I will be very surprised if we get a good healthcare plan in the end..They are talking "reform"..I think we need something more substantial than reform

Originally Posted by Conductor71 (Post 554906)

Hi,

I appreciate that given the nebulous nature of how we contracted PD in the first place, many of us suspect or fear vaccinations. It's good for us to question the status quo. However, we should also be willing to open our minds to the possibility that misinformation may be the basis for our skepticism. Where does the CNS News source find this information, specifically that "State Vaccine Teams to Conduct 'Interventions' in Private Homes"? If one links to the actual bill; this is the exact wording provided:

‘‘(E) providing for home visits that promote immunization through education, assessments of need, referrals, provision of immunizations, or other services;"


Is there another section that I am missing on this topic? I interpret this in an entirely different light. Home visits to promote, refer, provide or other "services". Services, does not to me, equate with enforcing immunization; instead, I see it as funding provision to educate people. Keep in mind, states, have the option to use use funding for this purpose, not the mandate to enforce vaccination- nowhere does it state that the CDC has the right to enter homes with the intent to inject citizens. The bill simply spells out funding options at the state level; I don' fear that the immunization police will show at my doorstep, but I do fear that people who choose not to vaccinate their children may be creating some very serious problems that only future generations will know.

If parents continue not to vaccinate, I hate to see what sort of diseases will have a welcome mat, if not an open door, not only years from now, but as we speak. Didn't we just discuss how avian flu may provide a pathway to PD through inflammation of cells? Isn't the deadly flu strain of 1918, as a killer of millions, linked to people "awakening" years later to PD?

From the World Health Organization:

"Vaccines are among the most important medical interventions for reducing illness and deaths during a pandemic...During the 1957 and 1968 pandemics, vaccines arrived too late to be used as an effective mitigation tool during the more severe phases of the pandemics. Influenza vaccines had not yet been developed when the 1918 pandemic swept around the world, eventually killing an estimated 50 million people."

Can the vaccine be both villain and hero? You bet, all depending on our perspective. Let's look at this through the lens of living with PD. Let's say scientists establish without a doubt that viral infections cause PD for some people. Would any one of us, knowing what we do now, turn down a vaccine that prevented this causative flu strain? Would we want our grandchildren to forgo this intervention? I'm already compromised, but I'd like to know that someone is looking out for my son and future generations. Many of us may opt out of any vaccination, but isn't that because we look at it from a healthy person's perspective- my likelihood of contracting xyz disease is low, so the vaccine itself becomes the villain. I bet a person who contracted Polio might see it see it quite differently- the risk in the vaccine itself would most likely take a back seat to the larger benefit of disease prevention.

Just some of my thoughts as devil's advocate,

Laura

Originally Posted by jcitron (Post 556301)

I agree Steve. Let's hope this plan is better tan the *edit* health plan put in by Mitt Romney. This is the most totally useless POS I've ever seen.

Talk about catering to self interests. A particular doctor's group handles the plan. You have to join their group and you lose your pirmary care doctor and any other specialist. Oh you can go to your former doctors, but pay for it extra because "they're not part of the group". They will also deny coverage just because they've paid too much. This actually made the news a year or two ago. A woman in California had cancer and was denied coverage because they had already paid "too much" for her.

They also conveniently lose applications required for renewal. My sister is on the plan and periodically she has to update her status, like she's going to make $35000 a year instantly in this economy. She gets the application and sends it back in time. They lose the paperwork and force her to reapply.

They save money covering the services this way because there's one less patient in the system. If they can do this for few 1,000 people, they've pockted a huge sum by not needing to pay doctors and only take in the subsidies.

Their drug plan sounds oh so great at first. but watch out. My sister again needs some medication, one of which will cause convultions if she's off. Her doctor was away, and the insurance wouldn't authorize a refill even as an emergency to cover the weekend. She nearly ended up in the ER, and my dad called our state representative. His office made a few calls, and the medication was made available without questions.

I'm sorry to sound negative, but the national plan is a great idea if it worked like it does in Europe with the single point system. Unfortunately, this country is so steeped in special interests that have more at stake financially and care less about the good of the population.

John