It seem normal to have pain ?!
 

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/articl...07A0140632.php

;Conservative treatment, including therapeutic exercise, is the first choice of treatment for thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS). This often causes temporary worsening of symptoms. However, such symptoms have never been described. The authors report aggravation of symptoms during therapeutic exercise. Eighteen patients were examined including 12 who were examined retrospectively and 6 who had still being in therapy. There were 2 men and 16 women, aged 9 to 58 years old (mean 30 years old); 12 cases affected the right side, 1 the left side, and 5 were bilateral. Eight cases had non-traumatic TOS, and 10 had traumatic TOS. As therapeutic exercise, extension exercises of neck and scapular muscles and strengthening of muscle power were performed, and the aggravation of symptoms was examined. Eventually, all 18 cases (100%) completely resolved. However, temporary worsening of symptoms occurred in 17 cases (94.4%). Aggravated symptoms consisted of numbness of the upper extremity in 12 cases (66.7%), shoulder stiffness in 10 (55.6%), neck pain in 6 (33.3%), decreased muscle power in 6, autonomic dysfunction in 4 (22.2%), scalene pain in 2 (11.1 %), lumbago in 2 and muscle pain surrounding scapula in 2. The purpose of therapeutic exercise for TOS is removal of constriction factors of nerves and promotion of nerve gliding, and achievement of functional position by muscle strengthening. Therefore, it is difficult to avoid temporary aggravation of symptoms, which is produced by compression or stretching of nerves. It is important to explain the possibility of worsening of symptoms to the patient before treatment and adjust the amount of muscle exercise accordingly. (author abst.)


What do you think ? :hug:

normal but not 100%
 

it is normal for me to be in pain but 100% seems like a pipe dream. what do they mean by traumatic tos?

many times the act of making it worse is two steps back and then one step forward. my experience modifies my behavior accordingly.

i do swear by nerve glides but they have never made it worse.

Tied, trumatic tos is brought on by an injury, as car whiplash, or one man I met had installed a garage door opener and the spring gave, whippig him and slamming to a concrete floor, there was a trumatic impact.

Football players if they get whamed and arm jerked back stretching the nerves from the bracial bundle in the neck area.
That is the most difficult to treat.

I get the deep massage therapy and most of the time I want to cry, but get the cycle of spasms to break.

Using repetative hand bike and weights feeling worse is not a good idea, just adding insult to injury to the nerves.

MY BEST THERAPUTIC PT; HELP THE HOT TUB!!!!!!
I can do range of motion, and deep heat to relax.

Boytos,
One thing that can escalate symptoms is the unknown and what to expect.
If you think of the flight or fight syndrome, the shoulders are tight and you breath heavy from the chest,
Take 10 minutes 2 times a day and sit with your hand on low tummy by belly button breathing from there. Make your head, neck, shoulders and arms feel limp. BREATH in and out, relax,
I have everyone reminding me to follow my own advise anymore and it does help. Bring the freak level down and I can promise, it will start to help.
You need someway to decrease stress on the arm and hand too....get the OT to help with that.
I have used Dragon voice recognition, but not for Excel, others have, I just have not tried it.

thanks :grouphug: