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chroma 11-08-2011 01:39 PM

Et tu, Subclavius?
 
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"Subclavius TrPs can contribute to shortening that contributes to a vascular thoracic outlet syndrome."
http://www.myofascialtherapy.org/sym...ectoralis.html


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"When trigger points shorten a subclavius muscles, it can keep tension on the collarbone, squeezing the subclavian vein and artery against the first rib and restricting circulation in the arm and hand."
The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook 2nd ed. pg 138


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"Thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS) involves compression, injury, or irritation to the neurovascular structures at the root of the neck or upper thoracic region, bounded by the anterior and middle scalenes; between the clavicle and first rib (with possible enlargement/hypertrophy of the subclavius); or beneath the pectoralis minor muscle."
http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...erview#showall


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"The most common causes of extrinsic compression of the subclavian vein are a narrow costoclavicular space or muscular hypertrophy of the subclavius or anterior scalene."
http://surgery.ucsf.edu/conditions--...-syndrome.aspx


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"Subclavius hypertrophy"
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post117146-5.html


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"The trunks of the brachial plexus pass between the anterior and middle scalene muscles. The superior trunk lies closest to the surface and is formed by the C5 and C6 roots. The suprascapular nerve and the nerve to the subclavius arise from the superior trunk."
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post34419-1.html


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"The Subclavius is a small triangular muscle, placed between the clavicle and the first rib. ...

It arises by a short, thick tendon from the first rib and its cartilage at their junction, in front of the costoclavicular ligament.

The fleshy fibers proceed obliquely superolaterally, to be inserted into the groove on the under surface of the clavicle between the costoclavicular and conoid ligaments. ...

The Subclavius depresses the shoulder, carrying it downward and forward. It draws the clavicle inferiorly as well as anteriorly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavius_muscle


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The Trigger Point & Referred Pain Guide for Subclavius
http://www.triggerpoints.net/trigger...subclavius.htm

SD38 11-09-2011 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chroma (Post 822935)
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"Subclavius TrPs can contribute to shortening that contributes to a vascular thoracic outlet syndrome."
http://www.myofascialtherapy.org/sym...ectoralis.html


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"When trigger points shorten a subclavius muscles, it can keep tension on the collarbone, squeezing the subclavian vein and artery against the first rib and restricting circulation in the arm and hand."
The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook 2nd ed. pg 138


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"Thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS) involves compression, injury, or irritation to the neurovascular structures at the root of the neck or upper thoracic region, bounded by the anterior and middle scalenes; between the clavicle and first rib (with possible enlargement/hypertrophy of the subclavius); or beneath the pectoralis minor muscle."
http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...erview#showall


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"The most common causes of extrinsic compression of the subclavian vein are a narrow costoclavicular space or muscular hypertrophy of the subclavius or anterior scalene."
http://surgery.ucsf.edu/conditions--...-syndrome.aspx


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"Subclavius hypertrophy"
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post117146-5.html


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"The trunks of the brachial plexus pass between the anterior and middle scalene muscles. The superior trunk lies closest to the surface and is formed by the C5 and C6 roots. The suprascapular nerve and the nerve to the subclavius arise from the superior trunk."
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post34419-1.html


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"The Subclavius is a small triangular muscle, placed between the clavicle and the first rib. ...

It arises by a short, thick tendon from the first rib and its cartilage at their junction, in front of the costoclavicular ligament.

The fleshy fibers proceed obliquely superolaterally, to be inserted into the groove on the under surface of the clavicle between the costoclavicular and conoid ligaments. ...

The Subclavius depresses the shoulder, carrying it downward and forward. It draws the clavicle inferiorly as well as anteriorly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavius_muscle


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The Trigger Point & Referred Pain Guide for Subclavius
http://www.triggerpoints.net/trigger...subclavius.htm

EXCELLENT.........................EXCELLENT research!!!!!!!!!!
I get a sharp pulling sensation on my pec minor ( I think, OR pec major????) when I do the Brugger pose. BEFORE and AFTER op.
Some stretches for this region is needed.
I salute you...... love your post title too:cool: LOL

mspennyloafer 11-09-2011 09:35 AM

thread title made me lol,









thats all i have to contribute

chroma 11-09-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SD38 (Post 823125)
EXCELLENT.........................EXCELLENT research!!!!!!!!!!
I get a sharp pulling sensation on my pec minor ( I think, OR pec major????) when I do the Brugger pose. BEFORE and AFTER op.
Some stretches for this region is needed.
I salute you...... love your post title too:cool: LOL

So what do you think are the best stretches for this? I've been playing with doing pushups to fatigue the muscles and then lying on the foam roller to stretch them. Seemed to work well, but I only just did it yesterday. I'm open to suggestions.

I've also done some of the lacrosse ball thing where I roll it along from the sternum, going outwards, just under the collar bone. The first time I screwed up used too much pressure.

chroma 11-09-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mspennyloafer (Post 823158)
thread title made me lol,

thats all i have to contribute

That's all I needed. I was hoping people liked it as much as I did. :D

Betrayed by another anatomical structure of my own self...

hellothere 11-09-2011 05:35 PM

I had a massive massive trigger point in my subclavius, made my collarbone look like it was swollen up, PT had to dry needle to the muscle to get it back to its relaxed state and that helped alot.

SD38 11-10-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chroma (Post 823245)
So what do you think are the best stretches for this? I've been playing with doing pushups to fatigue the muscles and then lying on the foam roller to stretch them. Seemed to work well, but I only just did it yesterday. I'm open to suggestions.

I've also done some of the lacrosse ball thing where I roll it along from the sternum, going outwards, just under the collar bone. The first time I screwed up used too much pressure.

Very basic stretch technique........ I grip onto the top of my open door frame and let my body lean forward- you get such a good stretch which enables you to go that little bit further than placing your arms up against the walls in the corner of a room. SIMPLE BUT EFFECTIVE!
I do it so often that I'm gonna have to do a repaint job just above the doorframe as there is a little line of grubby finger prints left behind:D

chroma 11-10-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SD38 (Post 823546)
Very basic stretch technique........ I grip onto the top of my open door frame and let my body lean forward- you get such a good stretch which enables you to go that little bit further than placing your arms up against the walls in the corner of a room. SIMPLE BUT EFFECTIVE!
I do it so often that I'm gonna have to do a repaint job just above the doorframe as there is a little line of grubby finger prints left behind:D

Oooh, I can't do that. Unlike you, I still have my rib and scalenes, and lose my circulation in an overhead position.

SD38 11-11-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chroma (Post 823708)
Oooh, I can't do that. Unlike you, I still have my rib and scalenes, and and lose my circulation in an overhead position.

A spare rib????????????
Well if you don't want yours anymore I can accommodate for it:rolleyes::winky:

Regarding the stretch, I literally do it for just a few seconds and bring my arms down just before the left gets all tempermental on me.


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