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mspennyloafer 10-07-2012 10:22 AM

arms swelling with exertion
 
so if i just hold my arm up over my head it doesnt swell..and turning my head to the opposite site it doesnt swell

but last night i was swinging my arms around a lot and my more winged arm/side started swelling


does it sound like my shoulder is so droopy it's making my vein (?) get cut off? if i tell a doc this they won't believe me. i almost want to make my arm swell up and then go to the er

astern 10-08-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mspennyloafer (Post 920575)
so if i just hold my arm up over my head it doesnt swell..and turning my head to the opposite site it doesnt swell

but last night i was swinging my arms around a lot and my more winged arm/side started swelling


does it sound like my shoulder is so droopy it's making my vein (?) get cut off? if i tell a doc this they won't believe me. i almost want to make my arm swell up and then go to the er

sounds like blood is going into the arm ok, but not going out... isn't that vein? I think it is. Your description sounds similar to what I go thru... although for me, raising my arm overhead would make it swell as well.

Jomar 10-08-2012 05:08 PM

How long does it take to return to a more normal state, after swinging arms, stopping and swelling happens? minutes, hours, day, or days?

Not sure if it means anything, I was just wondering.

mspennyloafer 10-12-2012 09:03 AM

good question

i barely exert myself...too scared but just swinging my arms up and down id say 1 hour later its back to "normal"

its something only i can see though but i kNOW its there. i can squeeze around my elbow and tell but i really feel it all along my tricep

i want to get an ultrasound (?) test for veins but since my arterial test came back normal i dont think theyd take my seriously. i have to prep myself up before even asking bc im going to have to beg. ugh.

also the other day i did this exercise with my arms straightened out and leaning forward. my hands were slightly less numb after doing that... then a few hours later they became numb again :confused::confused:

TellerMomof3 10-13-2012 08:42 PM

Swelling hands
 
I have recently started having swelling in both hands. My worst arm is the right, but a week or two ago, I noticed my wedding ring getting really tight on my left hand. Kinda varies by day. But today I was doing some super cleaning at home (hadn't been able to in over a month because of pain). Although I wasn't in severe pain, my arms were both tingly off and on thru cleaning. After awhile I noticed my hands were really red with white spots, and then when I was done they were really swollen. They still are after a couple hours feel really hot, and swollen. Has anybody experienced this?

I have a appointment with Dr. Robert Thompson the end of November, but this swelling kinds scares me.

mspennyloafer 10-15-2012 10:54 AM

i have read electrolyte imbalances cause tingling. i really need to get those tested on the cellular level. my digestion is really messed up. i have to take a bunch of immodium and im sure its messing up my vitamins/minerals

if your arms are changing colors then that is definitely vascular or raynauds phenomenon (i have this)


here is my arterial report, if anyone's curious (its normal btw!) i wish i understood it better


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
final report

vascsur proc

peripheral arterial testing

indication: blah blah


upper extremeities segmental pressure [mmhg]:

right left
brachial 113 108
radial 115 108
ulnar 115 117
digit 135 132



upper extremities doppler waveform

right left

subclavian triphasic triphasic
axillary triphasic triphasic
brachial triphasic triphasic
radial biphasic biphasic
ulnar monophasic
digit mild mild





upper extremities pulse volume recordings:

right left

upper arm mildly dampened mildly dampened
forearm mildly dampened mildly dampened
digit moderately dampened mod. dampened


result: RIGHT SIDE NORMAL, LEFT SIDE NORMAL

indices for upper extremities using the respective blood pressure for index:

right:
BP 113
wrist RA 115 1.02
wrist UA 115 1.02
digit 135 1.19
1.22


left:
BP 108
wrist RA 108 1.0
wrist ua 117 1.08
digit 132 1.22


report summary: impression
right upper extremity no evidence of peripheral vasc. occlusive disease. left upper no evidence of peripheral vasc. occlusive disease. provocative maneuvers completed. with mild positive response for the left arm in the military position. and the military with head turned to the left. no sig. response on the right with provocative maneuvering. indices as noted above, for each arm as noted.

mspennyloafer 10-15-2012 11:17 AM

this doesnt apply to me but it's interesting

The median
nerve can get entrapped at several distinct anatomical sites
from the upper arm up to the carpal tunnel as
comprehensively documented by Birch et al. and
Bilecenoglu et al. The nerve becomes compressed and
remains tethered to the structures forming the tunnel and
loses its mobility. Any movement in a nearby joint stretches
the nerve. Longstanding entrapments of the median nerve
characteristically result in neuropathies, muscle weakness
and wasting (Birch et al.; Green et al., 1999). On account of
close proximity of the brachial artery to the median nerve,
entrapment of the median nerve usually accompanies
concomitant compression of the brachial artery.
Compression
of the artery is aggravated by spasm in the additional fibres
of the muscles or by their hypertrophy. A compromise in
vascularity of the forelimb by compression of the brachial
artery produces claudicating pain in the upper limb. The case
presented in this study is quite rare to come across as it
exhibits: (1) bilateral occurrence of the musculo - aponeurotic
tunnel, since bilateral arm and forearm muscle variations
have been reported very rarely (Nakatani et al.,1998)
specially with such long tunnels that trap the neurovasculature,
(2) unusually long tunnels for the neurovascular
bundles, (3) additional origins of the biceps brachii muscle
in both the arms, (4) additional fibres of origin descending
from the lower part of the left tunnel and the medial intermuscular
septa, crossing across the elbow towards the superficial
group of forearm flexors (suggesting higher origin
of the common flexors in the arm). Additional origins of
forearm muscles may be explained as evolutionary remnants
as suggested by Wood (1867). It is therefore important to be
aware of entrapment situations occuring bilaterally in an individual
as reported here with additional origins of muscles
in the vicinity of the neuro-vascular structures. Vascular and
nerve entrapment symptoms can easily be treated with the
release of these entities from the offending structures.


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