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bizi 05-07-2013 08:36 AM

vitamins and supplements, TOO MUCH?
 
This is my routine:
I am taking meds/supplements a total of 5 times a day
8am- 2,000mg traphala first thing in am(for regularity)
noon- Geodon 80mg, multi vit, vit d3(5,000 units),2 fish oil(1000mg of 4:1 ratio of epa to dha),flax seed oil(1000mg of ALA omega 3), digestive enzyme, 2 coral calcium with mag(500mg/250mg), vit c-1000mg, 2000mg cinnamon with chromium, 800mg Garcinia Cambogia. (both for weight loss)
6pm- geodon, calcium, enzyme, cinnamon, garcinia cambogia, triphala.
1030pm- 200mg of lamictal, 1 mg of klonipin
midnight- probiotic, Garden of life, 15 billion
I usually only eat 2 meals a day. lunch at a health food store. (Organic foods)
I sometime snack before dinner with some almonds if I am hungry.
Cardio exercise 3xweek at 8;30 pm, shower, home around 10:15.
bed around midnight.
I like routines.
bizi

Mari 05-07-2013 04:03 PM

reduce or drop the calcium
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bizi (Post 981390)
This is my routine:
I am taking meds/supplements a total of 5 times a day
8am- 2,000mg traphala first thing in am(for regularity)
noon- Geodon 80mg, multi vit, vit d3(5,000 units),2 fish oil(1000mg of 4:1 ratio of epa to dha),flax seed oil(1000mg of ALA omega 3), digestive enzyme, 2 coral calcium with mag(500mg/250mg), vit c-1000mg, 2000mg cinnamon with chromium, 800mg Garcinia Cambogia. (both for weight loss)
6pm- geodon, calcium, enzyme, cinnamon, garcinia cambogia, triphala.
1030pm- 200mg of lamictal, 1 mg of klonipin
midnight- probiotic, Garden of life, 15 billion
I usually only eat 2 meals a day. lunch at a health food store. (Organic foods)
I sometime snack before dinner with some almonds if I am hungry.
Cardio exercise 3xweek at 8;30 pm, shower, home around 10:15.
bed around midnight.
I like routines.
bizi



Bizi,
You might not need the calcium. Calcium supplements have been linked to heart attacks. Get your calcium from green leafy veggies and salmon.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1265614
Can calcium supplements kill? The safe way to strengthen your bones

Quote:

What researchers found should make supplement-poppers take notice: those who had the highest intake of supplementary calcium — 1400 mg a day or above — had double the risk of dying from any cause and a higher risk of dying from cardiovascular disease than those whose intake was a more moderate 600-1000 mg a day.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...supplements-2/
Thinking Twice About Calcium Supplements

Quote:

In February, the United States Preventive Services Task Force recommended that postmenopausal women refrain from taking supplemental calcium and vitamin D. After reviewing more than 135 studies, the task force said there was little evidence that these supplements prevent fractures in healthy women.

Moreover, several studies have linked calcium supplements to an increased risk of heart attacks and death from cardiovascular disease. Others have found no effect, depending on the population studied and when calcium supplementation was begun.

Coral calcium can contain heavy metals.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/31...coral-calcium/
DANGERS OF CORAL CALCIUM

Quote:

Coral calcium comes from the bottom of the ocean, known to be contaminated with substances such as lead and mercury, as well as other toxic substances, Dr. Robert Keith, Professor of Nutrition and Foods at Auburn University explained in 2003.

At least two brands tested by Consumer Reports contained amounts of lead greater than California's acceptable standards in 2005, registered dietician Gloria Tsang reported on HealthCastle.
M

bizi 05-07-2013 04:17 PM

Thank you for your input and research I appreciate your effort.
I have been taking any where from 500mg to 1000mg a day of the calcium. I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat green leafy veggies once a day mon thru fri.
When I fell and broke my collar bone 2 years ago I was tested for bone density and this is where they discovered that I was osteopenia and vit d deficient thus the supplementation. Vit D level is where it should be at 50. Have not rechecked the bone density levels.
thank you again for taking the time to post this. will think about the coral calcium I thought it was more easily absorbed over the calcium citrate which i was taking before. Plus it is in a capsule as I am trying to switch over all of my supplements into more readily absorbed forms of delivery capsule is better than tablet in theory.
bizi

Mari 05-07-2013 06:56 PM

Bizi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by bizi (Post 981545)
Vit D level is where it should be at 50. Have not rechecked the bone density levels.

The vit D levels considered normal has been changing. I noticed that my MD wants more vit D than she used to want.


The calcium in milk and diary is not as absorbable as calcium in plants.
The USDAs dairy recommendations are probably built on the dairy industry's lobbying.
You could eat sardines with bones. That gives you calcium. Also, you could make soup with bones. The bones have good minerals. That is absorbable.

Quote:

I thought it was more easily absorbed over the calcium citrate which i was taking before
It is but one of the studies suggested that it is because of the magnesium in the coral calcium.
Getting magnesium and vitamin D is very helpful for your calcium levels.

Maybe cut down to 500 mg although that one study said ANY level of calcium supplementation is a bad idea. Certainly talk to your MD the next time you go.

Good sources of calcium:
http://www.all-creatures.org/health/...kanddairy.html
Quote:

broccoli, spinach, soybeans, kidney beans, almonds, rhubarb, collards, turnips, etc.
I do not drink milk although at this time I do eat cheese and yogurt and ice cream.

M

Brokenfriend 05-08-2013 01:00 AM

I use to take Coral Calcium. I would mix it in warm water,let it dissolve,and drink it. I stopped taking it about 8 years ago. Also at that time I was taking MDR,AM,and PM vitamins for a long time. They where good.

Now I'm taking 3 Lipo-Flavonoid's pills(Citrus orange peal) a day from Walmart for a occasional ringing in my left ear,Centrum,and something called Omega XL. I called them back,and said I want to cancel my order because it was 60 some dollars. Then they brought it down to 38 dollars,so I've been trying them. Two pills a day. Omega XL is suppose to be good for joint health,and inflammation.

I use to take herbs,(All Kinds) but discontinued them a long time ago. Before bed,I take Xylitol in a bottle of water,after I brush,and floss my teeth. It's very good for the gum line. I have all of my teeth. BF:hug::hug::hug:

Brokenfriend 05-08-2013 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari (Post 981540)
Bizi,
You might not need the calcium. Calcium supplements have been linked to heart attacks. Get your calcium from green leafy veggies and salmon.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1265614
Can calcium supplements kill? The safe way to strengthen your bones



http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...supplements-2/
Thinking Twice About Calcium Supplements




Coral calcium can contain heavy metals.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/31...coral-calcium/
DANGERS OF CORAL CALCIUM



M

Hi Bizi. Please don't be alarmed. The Coral Calcium that comes from Okinawa is about 1093 miles from where the Fukushima Daiichi disaster happened. That's where there where 3 nuclear reactor melt downs that has spread small amounts of radio active isotopes into the Pacific Ocean.

If the coral calcium is from Okinawa Coral,you might want to change it to the Brazil coral calcium.

I hope that this is not alarming. I'm just concerned,and want you to be healthy. BF:hug::hug::hug:

mrsD 05-08-2013 06:23 AM

Some doctors are recommending only a maximum of 600mg of calcium a day, when using high dose D. Vit D greatly increases the amount of calcium absorbed in the intestine.

The magnesium however... should not be oxide form...so check your label of the coral product.

A good product for magnesium is SlowMag, which is affordable now at WalMart. Their website is very helpful in explaining food sources too. One SlowMag twice a day, is the basic dose and suggested for those only getting 1/2 of their mag from food:

http://www.slowmag.com/

This product was originally targeting doctors and pharmacists, back in the late '80's. It was made by Searle, and remains OTC, but now owned by Purdue. Now that the price has come down, and it is commonly sold at WalMart, I tend to recommend it for newbies. But any chelate you want to use will work as well.
Glycinate
taurate
malate
citrate
gluconate
lactate
are some.

There is a very good lotion, now, a reformulated version of CVS epsom lotion, (which was discontinued) 2 yrs ago.
Morton's Epsom lotion is also at WalMart at $5.98 for 8oz. A small dollop rubbed into the skin (if you have muscle pain or foot pain, etc) will provide magnesium that way. It is a very nice elegant product. Non-greasy, no fragrance.

http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-h...-epsom-lotion/

A little goes a long way, so don't over use--it is not like a skin moisturizer. We at PN use this and it is great ... just about my favorite thing now! ;)

bizi 05-08-2013 07:26 AM

the calcium is from fossilized coral calcium and the magnesium is a combination of mag oxide, ctrate and aspartate. It also lists magnesium stearate as an other ingrediant. It states that this coral calcium is not harvested from living coral reefs but from above ground sources in an ecologically friendly manner. It is a Now brand name that I trust from our local health food store. The ratio of calcium to magnesium is 2:1.
Thank you mrs. Doubtfire, I always appreciate your input.
Hope you are well.
bizi

mrsD 05-08-2013 07:52 AM

When products list oxide with other chelates... it is the oxide that predominates. Oxide is not appreciably absorbed. Hence the SlowMag was made to encourage doctors to use a better version.
Magnesium oxide is used still because it is 40% elemental...keeping the size of the tablets down. But we now know it is useless...it is now a laxative only, Phillips caplets.
So I wouldn't count on more than a few milligrams of that magnesium being absorbed.

Magnesium stearate is also not absorbed, it remains in the bowel like the oxide does. Hence there is no therapeutic advantage to it.
Its purpose is to lubricate the flow of the powders that enter the tablet pressing machines. It is an inert excipient therefore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excipient

bizi 05-08-2013 08:42 PM

I was taking mag citrate alone but finished that bottle, will go look for some slow mag. Thanks for the information!
bizi


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