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antibiotics/diarrhea and PD

Each time I have any illness- my PD significantly worsens--if I take antibiotics--especially if I have nausea-ands diarrhea- again-its as if i am taking almost no sinemet. When I look for a cause/effect discussion or even an anecdote similar to mine- I find little. Am I just making myself worse (reverse-placebo effect) or have other people experienced this? Since the bulk of the absorption of l-dopa fro the go tract is seen in the small bowel- it seems to make sense that antibiotic-associated diarrhea might affect absorption directly or transit time.

schwad01,

I agree with you: "diarrhea might affect absorption directly or transit time." I think that rather than the "PD significantly worsens", it is more likely that the drug regimen becomes less effective.

I have more experience of the opposite problem, constipation. This is certainly associated with the effectiveness of my levodopa based drugs. But, I'm not sure of the direction of causality.

Going back to diarrhea, there seems little advantage in taking a levodopa pill only to have it defecated away before being absorbed. It might be worth discussing with your doctor temporarily changing your drug regimen, taking into account the timing of the defecations relative to the doses and trying to estimate the dose that has been lost, increasing the daily dose accordingly.

It may also be worth considering a skin patch.

After a course of antibiotics I eat a lot of live yogurt.

John

Since the intestine is the place where the drug is absorbed, yes, absolutely, diarrhea should adversely impact your absorption of the drug.

schwad01, the first sentence in your post could have been written by my husband. He has had antibiotics 4 times in the last 4-5 years -- 3 times for illness and once following surgery. Each event for which antibiotics were given, brought his physical condition progressively lower.

The last illness was an acute bronchitis for which he received IV fluids, IV and oral antibiotics, and 7 weeks of nebulized steroids. It seemed to be the last straw; during the early stages of bronchitis his neurologic condition descended into true disability with increased confusion and more severe memory loss. His physical weakness and unsteadiness worsened tremendously with the nebulized steroids and never quite returned to baseline ... He fell out of bed 3 mornings in a row after starting that treatment. (Later, a functional medicine doctor attributed that decline in muscle function to the Pulmicort; she said she had seen this before in people over 80.) He was dehydrated and was not allowed proper rehydration, only given 1/2 liter on his first visit to Casualty/ Emergency, 1 liter on his second visit. :mad: The doctor was not even going to grant him that much, but I argued until he allowed it. I am aware that confusion and memory loss can occur in dehydration, but the doctors could not be convinced to give him more IV fluids, despite that he had stopped drinking water (due to nausea) the day before, and it became impossible to assure his oral water intake because he was confused and didn’t understand the need. Of note, he was not taking levodopa at the time. He started taking it in earnest some time after this illness.

We've learned our lesson. This last winter we made sure to keep him warm at all times -- evidently the lymphocytes retreat into secondary lymphatic organs when the body gets chilled. Also, he took immune boosters that increase glutathione production. This strategy worked beautifully. He didn't catch any infections this last winter, not so much as a sniffle, even when I caught a bit of a cold.

Because you mentioned diarrhea, schwad01, I’m also posting on page 2 of another thread that was started years ago, linked here:
http://www.neurotalk.org/parkinson-s...t-issue-2.html

Thanks so much for the support and the story-- god luck

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Originally Posted by Bergamotte (Post 1213599)

Since the intestine is the place where the drug is absorbed, yes, absolutely, diarrhea should adversely impact your absorption of the drug.

schwad01, the first sentence in your post could have been written by my husband. He has had antibiotics 4 times in the last 4-5 years -- 3 times for illness and once following surgery. Each event for which antibiotics were given, brought his physical condition progressively lower.

The last illness was an acute bronchitis for which he received IV fluids, IV and oral antibiotics, and 7 weeks of nebulized steroids. It seemed to be the last straw; during the early stages of bronchitis his neurologic condition descended into true disability with increased confusion and more severe memory loss. His physical weakness and unsteadiness worsened tremendously with the nebulized steroids and never quite returned to baseline ... He fell out of bed 3 mornings in a row after starting that treatment. (Later, a functional medicine doctor attributed that decline in muscle function to the Pulmicort; she said she had seen this before in people over 80.) He was dehydrated and was not allowed proper rehydration, only given 1/2 liter on his first visit to Casualty/ Emergency, 1 liter on his second visit. :mad: The doctor was not even going to grant him that much, but I argued until he allowed it. I am aware that confusion and memory loss can occur in dehydration, but the doctors could not be convinced to give him more IV fluids, despite that he had stopped drinking water (due to nausea) the day before, and it became impossible to assure his oral water intake because he was confused and didn’t understand the need. Of note, he was not taking levodopa at the time. He started taking it in earnest some time after this illness.

We've learned our lesson. This last winter we made sure to keep him warm at all times -- evidently the lymphocytes retreat into secondary lymphatic organs when the body gets chilled. Also, he took immune boosters that increase glutathione production. This strategy worked beautifully. He didn't catch any infections this last winter, not so much as a sniffle, even when I caught a bit of a cold.

Because you mentioned diarrhea, schwad01, I’m adding some information on another thread that was started years ago, linked here:
http://www.neurotalk.org/parkinson-s...t-issue-2.html