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ConcussedEngineer 07-20-2016 02:08 PM

Heart Rate
 
I have been having problems with my heart rate lately. When my symptoms are really strong my heart rate seems to be more normal, yet even when I exercise during these times my heart still feels like it is pounding hard in my chest. I have been having periods lately where my symptoms are not bad at all and I can read, drive, be in crowds, etc. without much problem (I actually feel good!), but my heart rate and the pounding sensation I get in my chest and some veins is really high. Usually my resting heart rate is 48-54 bpm, but during these times it's 60-70. I will also go through brief moments where my heart rate suddenly drops, but the pounding sensation increases. It makes it extremely hard to fall asleep and settle down. Had anyone had problems similar to this before, and if so what helped? I have done deep breathing and have been trying to exercise as much as possible, but they don't really seem to help.

Mark in Idaho 07-20-2016 02:17 PM

What is you blood pressure during these different times ?

ConcussedEngineer 07-20-2016 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho (Post 1217688)
What is you blood pressure during these different times ?

I'm not sure. I am not sure if it would be higher when my heart rate is lower or higher. When I had BPPV my heart rate and blood pressure were higher, but they have gone down since I have gotten that under control. This originally started when I started going out on the lake again kayaking I think. I noticed that in rough water the waves would cause my heart rate to increase a lot.

Mark in Idaho 07-20-2016 04:56 PM

70 bpm is not fast. My wife's resting rate is 90-100 when her BP is 110/76.

But, before being concerned about your heart rate, you should be checking your BP. BP is the more important number. Home BP kits are affordable.

The sensation of feeling your heart rate is not normal. The brain usually ignores it. When anxiety levels increase, the brain increases its ability to sense a pounding heart just as it increases its sensitivity to every sensory stimuli. The PCS brain has a harder time ignoring things that it should be ignoring.

russiarulez 07-22-2016 02:19 PM

I had these weird heart issues for about the first year.

At first I would be very aware of my heart rate and pulsation in the head when I laid down to sleep. Made it very hard to fall asleep. Doctor attributed this to anxiety.

Later on I had periods where my resting HR would be about a 100 (my usual resting HR is 50-60) no matter what I did, BP was normal. Doctor attributed this to anxiety.

Then I had the opposite, where it felt like my heart has stopped and I couldn't feel it when I went to bed, that did bring on anxiety for sure.

All of this worked itself out after a while, maybe year and a half or so. I think doing my light aerobic exercises on a stationary bike has helped.

I think Mark is right about the brain not filtering these things out sometimes after the injury, you shouldn't hear your heart beating or your eyes moving for example, but something is messed up and you do. Doctors don't seem to believe this though.

yncs5729 07-22-2016 09:52 PM

Hi RussiaRulez,

Wife had bilateral plf jan/feb 16 and has is getting first AO adjustment on Monday. many of the same symptoms as you. Would love to email direct as I have a thought for you on something that has helped her and would like to compare a few notes.

contact is **

Regards,

Jack

ConcussedEngineer 07-23-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by russiarulez (Post 1217916)
I had these weird heart issues for about the first year.

At first I would be very aware of my heart rate and pulsation in the head when I laid down to sleep. Made it very hard to fall asleep. Doctor attributed this to anxiety.

Later on I had periods where my resting HR would be about a 100 (my usual resting HR is 50-60) no matter what I did, BP was normal. Doctor attributed this to anxiety.

Then I had the opposite, where it felt like my heart has stopped and I couldn't feel it when I went to bed, that did bring on anxiety for sure.

All of this worked itself out after a while, maybe year and a half or so. I think doing my light aerobic exercises on a stationary bike has helped.

I think Mark is right about the brain not filtering these things out sometimes after the injury, you shouldn't hear your heart beating or your eyes moving for example, but something is messed up and you do. Doctors don't seem to believe this though.

I agree that the brain can't filter. I have been telling myself to ignore it as much as possible which helps. I think being out on the water is just a trigger for my vertigo, so I will have to stay off the lake. I have backed off on running and switched to biking which has seemed to help with this a little. Light aerobic exercise seems to help a lot of my symptoms if I know when to stop. I think some of it might be that I am deconditioned too.

russiarulez 07-23-2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yncs5729 (Post 1217949)
Hi RussiaRulez,

Wife had bilateral plf jan/feb 16 and has is getting first AO adjustment on Monday. many of the same symptoms as you. Would love to email direct as I have a thought for you on something that has helped her and would like to compare a few notes.

contact is **

Regards,

Jack

Jack,

Looks like you can't share your personal info on here. You can send me a Personal Message (PM) on this forum and I'll see it in my PM inbox.

russiarulez 07-23-2016 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ConcussedEngineer (Post 1217999)
I agree that the brain can't filter. I have been telling myself to ignore it as much as possible which helps. I think being out on the water is just a trigger for my vertigo, so I will have to stay off the lake. I have backed off on running and switched to biking which has seemed to help with this a little. Light aerobic exercise seems to help a lot of my symptoms if I know when to stop. I think some of it might be that I am deconditioned too.

If you haven't yet, google "PCS Buffalo Protocol". They do a test until you have symptoms on a treadmill and see what HR is at that point. After that you start to exercise 6 days a week either on a stationary bike or treadmill at 80% of that HR for 20 minutes. Do this for 3 weeks and then retest, and get a new, higher, 80% HR. This is done for about 3-4 months until you can work out at your 100%.

I've been doing this on and off for over a year now. I didn't do the test on myself, just started with a very low HR and went up from there very slowly. I think it helps with my symptoms.

ConcussedEngineer 07-30-2016 04:30 PM

I'm trying to follow that protocol. I don't expect to ever be able to exercise and be conditioned like I was before given that I ran two days after the hit to my head (because I thought I was groggy from the long weekend and just needed to sweat it out unaware of my head hit). I also lifted weights a lot and went trap shooting within the first two weeks unaware of my condition, so I am sure that it will be a long time before this stuff settles out given how much I exerted myself so soon.


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