A magic herb
 

I live in Thailand and was recommended a herb that is produced here " Butea superba" to spice up my libido as most of you know a cocktail of meds can have an adverse effect in that department. Short story, it works and maybe works to well but that's a good thing

However that's not what this is about. Another effect of this herb is incredible stamina and energy
.. The energy boost is simply amazing but that's not what this is about either.

I have PN pretty bad with not much feeling in my feet and finger tips along with painful knees and heavy as lead legs and trouble climbing and descending steps.

This all changed dramatically when I started this herb. Firstly the burning has decreased to where I no longer notice it.
Also my knee pain and dead legs simply went away and I can climb stairs without the slightest difficulty

So I started walking and walking 8 to 15 km a day! ( average about 6 miles) And could have walked double that. I got a step counter and you can see the results.

It's simply a miraculous turn around.

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That is amazing.

So I looked this up---

Butea superba - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

Were or are you using opioids for chronic pain? If yes, then this testosterone boosting herb could help with the hypothalamic reduction in male hormones over time caused by long term opioid use

Posters here should note however that this herb has not been studied in depth yet. and use by women may yield different results.

Only tramadol at max dose which I nearly stopped using in the last week so down to 200mg
I also use Lyrica cut back from 300 mg to 200 mg in the last few days.

Still taking 25mg amitriptyline just because it makes me feel good especially with sleep

I'm on the max dose of this herb 3 capsules 450 mg a day and it feels like a bit to much, hard to explain but feel giddy in the stomach and the need to keep moving and restless legs.

As you know it's not well researched barely out of rat testing but I can confirm it's bloody potent!

Just be careful with it.

Sometimes there can be a "honeymoon" period when starting
a new thing/ in this case a herb. Herbs are mini-drugs and can have unexpected results over time. There could be a lingering toxicity, or a tolerance. Some herbal substances affect blood clotting too. This one doesn't have much of a history of data, so there might be surprises with it.

I'd back down to a dose that works for you but does not have bothersome side effects.

I don't know if this herb is effectively reducing my symptoms or whether it's a result of the irrisistable urge to keep moving that's giving me much needed exercise and providing a knock on effect in the pain department as well as building up muscles in the legs to help support pressure on my knees.

In any case I use it to love hiking and will be back at it
again because I can ☺

In the mean time will drop the dosage.

It looks to me to be rather dangerous.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3354878/

Hugs, ElaineD

Thanks for this, there is not much info out there.
I have been contemplating posting more about this herb and what my conclusions are after a months use.
Firstly when opening the container and taking in a strong whiff the smell is very very pungent like marijuana.
The effect on pain control is unbelievable. Specifically the effect on that abrasive horrible burning associated with PN
As an aphrodisiac its effect is a bit to strong to the point of distraction.
I'm hoping somebody else can try this and verify my observations
Regarding the dangers, well what drug isn't, it's a matter of risk vs reward.

I really don't think experimenting with this herb is a good idea.

1) You may find that you develop a tolerance to its pain relieving properties and/or it may stop working.

2) This testosterone stimulation is not going to be good for the women here.

3) Elevations in testosterone in males, (like the patches and gels on RX in this country) have shown heart attack side effects, and stroke risks. There are malpractice attorneys working on suing the drug manufacturers for this, as it is not rare. There are no longer RX TV ads for these products here too.

4) There is no accurate data on other effects of this herb...so
I would not recommend it here for posters to experiment with.

Whats PN please I have
many symptoms same as yourself.but not hear
of pn being mentioned.
T.I.A.

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Mrs D.
Living with a low libido and the effect on my relationship and living with extra pain is also not a good idea
How does adding a herb to an already dangerous cocktail of drugs make it all of sudden more dangerous?
I'm in no way suicidal but if this herb struck me down then I it would not bother me, however years of drug cocktails have not, so I seriously doubt a plant will ☺

Not sure what you mean. I have burning stinging pn like most.
I gave up on trying to find the cause years ago. It's appears to be both long and short Fibre

What is possible when a male takes extra testosterone to improve libido or whatever (called Low-T in the US), is that this is an imperfect solution because doctors cannot balance doses perfectly to each patient's needs, and have to rely on what the drug companies make only.

This was a huge industry...when it began. TV ads were frequent and the demand was high. The body building community is heavily into androgen supplements. You might consider looking at some of the busy bodybuilding forums on the net.

But... after all the dust cleared men started having more heart attacks and strokes. This was tied to the testosterone being used late in life.

So using any testosterone booster, herbal or not, may result in surprises and sudden death down the road. It is your choice to consider if using this herb is worth it.

This antsy feeling could be this: akathisia
Medical Definition of Akathisia

This symptom is also present in those taking psychiatric drugs...
amphetamines (ADHD), atypical antipsychotics (bipolar, schizophrenia), SSRIs (Depression, chronic pain).
If your side effect of restlessness and needing to move around, is this ...that would suggest that this herb is affecting serotonin in the brain. So I would look up serotonin syndrome, and familiarize yourself with its symptoms, as it can sneak up on people.

Herbs in general are difficult to standardize, and since this one is not really common, batches of it may vary. Also there is a history in China and could be with your country too, of manufacturers adulterating herbs with real drugs to give them a punch and so the users would feel "something" and think the herb is working for them. Another example is toxins. A popular herb from India called gugulipid, was found to have lead in it not long ago, and is much less popular now.

So.... these are just some of the issues, that make using this herb possibly problematic. You can do what you want of course, but I feel compelled to say more when you then try to get others to experiment here with it.

Peripheral Neruopathy

Thanks very much for your very detailed response. I do engage in body building but that's not the reason I'm taking it but the extra energy boost hasn't hurt my repititian sets.
I'm going to stick with it and let the cards fall where they may. My partner is at least a lot happier ☺

Oh .o.k. thanks for that peripheral meaning eye problem I assume?

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The main PN forum is here- this thread is on the Tips subforum - if you'd like to find more PN information you can post to the the main PN section..
https://www.neurotalk.org/forum20/

There are sticky threads near the top of PN section with very helpful info..

Our nervous system is comprised of two types of nerves,

1) Brain and spinal cord (inside the spine) are the Central nervous system.

2) The nerves in the body outside the spinal cord and brain are called peripheral.

The PN forum discusses mostly the Peripheral Nervous system.

The optic nerve is a part of the central nervous system. It is a cranial nerve.

However the eye lids, and tear forming glands are peripheral.

Optic nerve - Wikipedia

Peripheral nervous system - Wikipedia

Where did you buy from?Have most of these symptoms my self.T.I.A.

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It's produced in Thailand and very cheap here. You can Google the name and type your country in the search

There are small fibers in the ophthalmic branch of the TN nerve. This is what likely differentiates the ATN (type 2) people (like me) from the TN (type 1) people. I had to go on pubmed to find this. I had burning in my eye and paresthesias up my optic nerve branch the first year of my condition.