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Thyroid Supplement

I just bought a product called Thyroid Support by NatraBio, and I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this product. I am having all the signs of low thyroid, but tests are "normal" according to the dr. I am so exhausted even after going gluten free, dairy free, soy free. I am also taking a multivitamin and I am not anemic anymore, so I am wondering if maybe thyroid, but the doctor acts like I am a nut case when I asked if the tests maybe aren't sensitive enough or accurate since I have all the symptoms. ( I also have fibromyalgia and weight gain). Thank you.

If you have fatigue and weight gain, this could be a sign of a thyroid problem. I know this is yet another area where there is some controvery on the proper levels. However, I do think the standards were relaxed somewhat just recently...not sure. My neuro felt that my thyroid was what he considered "low normal." This was interesting, 'cause I went to an endocrinologist who insisted that they were fine. The neuro ended up giving me a small amount of Thyrolar. This has T3 and T4. I felt better and my hair stopped failling out. I don't have the exact link at the moment (and I'm rushing too), but if you go to www.about.com and look under "T" for Thyroid, there is a woman there who runs a good site/discussion on the topic. There are interesting articles there. I believe I have heard that Fish Oil, Flax Seed are some of the good supplements for Thyroid.

The product you posted is a homeopathic remedy. These products are diluted to practically INFINITY... and the THEORY is that for some reason they work.
The homeopathic mindset is to treat like with like... so the body gets better.
That is if you have poison ivy, you take a remedy containing poison ivy
ingredients.

Here is an explanation of the dilutions that appear on your label:

Quote:

Homeopathy is the field of medicine formulated by Dr. Samuel Hahneman, M.D., starting with the codification of the word Homeopathy in 1796, and which he continued formulating and modifying right up until his death at age 88, in 1843.

Key to the philosophy is the serial dilution of the remedies that get STRONGER "Biologically" as they get more dilute, or WEAKER from a "chemical" standpoint.

THE MORE DILUTE THE REMEDY, THE MORE POTENT THAT IT IS FOR THE PATIENT.

However, there is another key piece of the Potentization Equation. In-between each dilution step is a SHAKING step, known as SUCCUSSION.

A remedy that is diluted 1:10, involves one part of the remedy to 9 parts of the diluent (which is usually a 20% alcohol water solution). This 1: 10 dilution is called a 1X dilution. Making another 1:10 of the first 1X is called 2X. Doing it again makes it 3X.

If a remedy is diluted 1:100 (one part remedy in 99 parts diluent) it's called a 1C dilution. 1:100 of the 1C is called 2C; another 1:100 is 3C; etc., etc.

A series of 1000 1:100 C dilutions is called a 1M dilution.

A 1:50,000 dilution is called a 1LM Potency; 1:50,000 of the first 1:50,000 is called 2LM; etc., etc.

HOWEVER, in between each serial dilution, in order for the dilution to be truly considered Homeopathic, it has to be VIGOROUSLY SHAKEN against either a leather book (Hahneman used his Bible) or the palm of the hand. This vigorous shaking is called SUCCUSSION, and is an integral part of the Homeopathic process.

The number of "succussions" required for each dilution is not necessarily cast in Homeopathic stone, and is a matter of debate among homeopathic physicians, some of whom actually violently disagree on the correct numbers almost as much as traditional doctors disagree with the validity of Homeopathy itself.

from http://www.explorepub.com/articles/shelton_11_6.html

Your product contains:

Quote:

Calcarea Iodata 6X, Fucus vesiculosus 6X, Kali Iodatum 6X, Calcarea Carbonica 10X, Causticum 10X, Ferrum Iodatum 10X, 30X, Natrum Muriaticum 10X, 30X.

So in effect there are practically no active ingredients in it.
If you Google homeopathy, you can find more discussions on whether it is an effective intervention or not.

People with gluten intolerance, may have autoimmune thyroid disease. Did your doctor test you for antibodies? Also there are new guidelines for TSH levels. They have been lowered and not all doctors use them.

If you are low in zinc and/or selenium, you can fail to convert T4 into active T3 in the tissues. T4 is inactive until converted.

There are many doctors now doing physiological thyroid replacement.
Here is an example:
http://www.drbrownstein.com/index.shtml
You will have to find a doctor who embraces this concept. Usually they are called Holistic.

My thyroid experience

Thanks for bringing up this topic! I've suspected for years that I have a thyroid problem, I did alot of research & asked for a COMPLETE thyroid panel test....no such luck! First doc said it was too expensive & not necessary so she only ordered TSH which came back "normal". Next doctor did agree to order the T3 & T4, also was told "normal". Just had some blood tests taken & the doc ordered the TSH,again normal.

I've gained over 30# the past few years. My hair clogs the drain when I take a shower,I have swollen glands under my chin so guess it's not the right gland (only one doc has ever bothered to "feel" my throat).My mother went undiagnosed with thyroid to the point where she nearly died!

My research has shown there isn't any herb/whatever to take for this, so I was pleased to see Selenium just now cause I do happen to take that.

I was doing some research on BP meds, Lisinopril, discovered a wonderful site discussing the side effects. Hair loss & weight gain were a common complaint! I've been on this stuff the past 8 years,have recently cut down from 40mg to 10 & using low-sodium diet. Also cut out the diuretic I'd been on for years. I take Sarsparilla for Lyme & discovered it's also a diuretic so I'm pleased to say I'm not having leg/ankle edema anymore.

I'm also eating granola with flax seed & sometimes flax bread.

My fatique is to the point where I can't even walk the stairs to bathe some days, if I stick to my B vits it really,really helps me.

If anyone else is on this BP med I'll be happy to provide the link I discovered-it was really interesting to me cause NO doctor has ever indicated any side effects that might be causing me grief!! My housemate takes 60mg of this stuff ++++ 2 more high BP meds & all he does is sleep all day!:rolleyes:

Later,Buttons

is an ACE inhibitor... over time it depletes ZINC...so you do not have
zinc available to convert T4 to T3...

Everyone on ACE inhibitors should be taking a zinc supplement.

Selenium is involved too, but to a lesser extent. And is not depleted by ACE inhibitors that we know of at this time. People eating foods from poor soils could be lower than otherwise. Brazil nuts remain a very good source.

But I'd worry about the zinc. Low zinc can also cause hair loss, and increased
frequency of infections/colds/flu/bronchitis etc. Low zinc impairs wound healing in the skin, and contributes to acne.
The best form of zinc right now on the market is OptiZinc.. one tablet daily of
this should be enough for most people.

Yes, that makes sense-thank you Mrs. D!

I've had zinc on my need to buy list for some time now. I get white spots on my fingernails when I 'm low & I've pretty much stopped eating tuna (which I believe was my main source???) I'm also diabetic so I really do need to pay more attention to this stuff!

Where can I get the OpiZinc?

Thanks for sharing,Buttons

by Source Naturals. It is really inexpensive for the quality.

I've seen it a Whole Foods locally when shopping. (they had it on sale once there where I picked up 2 xtra bottles).

I usually buy mine from iherb, when I get my B12 order. Source Naturals is
a common brand and you should be able to find it in most health food stores.

When I did some searching a few months ago, I found papers that stated that the zinc monomethionine is better absorbed. So this form gives the best
bioavailability, and is not expensive either. The old zinc sulfate is very nauseating.. avoid it!:p
here is a good zinc website:
http://www.advance-health.com/zinc.h...Monomethionine