Lipoic Acid and thyroid
 

I've been taking alpha-lipoic acid for quite a while now, and in my last iherb order, changed it to R lipoic acid. Tomorrow I see my endo, for a regular checkup, with bloods drawn by another doctor last week showing that my T3 has dropped off significantly. Since I'm not sick, and dont have thyroiditis, it isn't clear why, but in cleaning out my mailbox, found this abstract I'd mailed myself in 2004. (I guess sometimes it's really good to be unable to delete anything).

Does anyone know about this? Do any of the other commonly taken supplements interfere with thyroid function? (carnitine, etc.?)

Arzneimittelforschung. 1991 Dec;41(12):1294-8. Related Articles, Links


Effect of alpha-lipoic acid on the peripheral conversion of thyroxine to triiodothyronine and on serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels.

Segermann J, Hotze A, Ulrich H, Rao GS.

Institute of Clinical Biochemistry, University of Bonn, Fed. Rep. of Germany.

The influence of alpha-lipoic acid (LA, thioctic acid, CAS 62-46-4) on thyroid hormone metabolism and serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels was investigated. In the first setup of experiments administration of LA together with thyroxine (T4) for 9 days suppressed the T4 induced increase of T3 generation by 56%. This suppression was similar to that affected by 6-propylthiouracil (54%). LA or T4 alone did not affect the cholesterol level, but together they led to a reduction. LA decreased the triglyceride level by 45%; the decrease induced by T4 or LA plus T4 was not significant. Total protein and albumin levels decreased by LA plus T4 treatment when compared to the LA control. The slight increase in glucose level by LA or T4 alone was not observed when they were administered together. In the second setup of experiments the administration of T4 for 22 days increased the serum T3 level 3-fold. When LA was combined with T4 and the treatment continued, the T3 production decreased by 22%. T4 reduced cholesterol level by 30%, and LA plus T4 further reduced it by 47%. The triglycerides were not affected. A moderate decrease in total protein was observed after treatment with T4 plus LA; T4 and LA plus T4 decreased the albumin level. The decrease in serum glucose by T4 recovers by LA treatment. These results demonstrate that LA interferes with the production of T3 from T4 when it is co-administered with T4. The elevated level of T3, after T4 administration, is reduced by treatment with LA.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

PMID: 1815532 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

here is more...
 

It is not clear to me in the paper you posted, if the T4 and T3 were given to euthroid people...or hypo people.

You might want to read this list :
http://www.raysahelian.com/lipoic.html
I have found that 100mg of R-lipoic is doing wonderful things for me.
I don't feel any loss of thyroid function at all. And I can't take it after noon, or I can expect some difficulty falling asleep.
In fact I just bought refills.

OK my list is so far....
 

Any anti-seizure meds w/in 1-2 hours of other things. Calciums, Fish oils...I was on the whole menu until recently and am down to two daily [a vacation] and 3 optionals....IF you read the fine prints of any prescription med, you will find this in the 'interactions' at times, often not. YOu will have to call and ask. WHY? because most 'trials' are not done with folks on multiple meds! They only get feedback from us when we call and ask. I also do a back-up call to the FDA about any given med as well, as the FDA DOES track the calls they get w/the call the drug co's 'report'. [Then the FDA KNOWS the drug co is 'discounting' possible issues-and they DO act, I've seen it on some of my meds!] Then suss out the discrepancies. It is tedious, at best?
Since I'd been on five presciption meds prior to my 'vacation', and was trying to track down variables of the med interactions in blood tests, I found out that any supplements you take have to be an hour to three before or after any meds you take. This can get very complicated? As if it wasn't already? It just means you don't chug down all the AM pills all at once...just set your timer and take A, at X; B at Y; and so on. It is tedious.
It is nowhere clearly put. Only obscurely in the 'prescribing information' IF KNOWN of any prescribed medications. I do know I'd tried ALA and well, just didn't feel comforatable with it...Don't know why. gut feeling? Bad pun maybe...but opinon only in that respect. Wish I'd more at my fingertips, maybe someone else has... - j

Well yes, Mrs D
 

It was because all of the salubrious effects of lipoic acid that I've been taking it. And I've been taking it so long, that I just consider it one of the factors which is responsible for the great improvement I've had over the years.

But my thyroid numbers are awfully low now, and nothing has changed. I'm wondering if there isn't a relationship--maybe I need to take a lower dose.

Here's what my thyroids look like. Weird, because as my T3 and T4 go down, the TSH doesn't go up.

http://www.lizajane.org/PN/Users/liz...roid sheet.doc

If you're prompted for a program to open it with, it's a Word Document.

Tomorrow I see what the endo thinks.

for one thing...
 

you are taking high doses of the alpha form.

This is not a purified product and may have other actions in the body.

The R-lipoic does not have many or any papers that I can find on it.
The dose is much less too.

Let us know what you find.

Here is more information:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/a...oic-000285.htm

I suspect this thyroid issue would have appeared since Europe has used this for a LONG time.
Also recall that carnitine action is also confused in thyroid patients. (since carnitine prevents bone tear
down in hyper patients, some extrapolate to others, inaccurately.)

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocente.../la/index.html

Thanks, Mrs D,

I've been to my endo; he never heard anything about lipoic acid, and I forgot to bring the abstract. But I'm definitely hypo, so he adjusted me meds, hoping that all my fatigue is not due to the sinuses. I stopped the lipoic and will be interested in how my numbers respond. Maybe I was just taking too much.

On the carnitine issue: My serum carnitine is always low, so I'm taking supplements. Nothing has been prescribed by my doctors, who don't really understand carnitine, so I just take what seems like a reasonable amount, and ask them to repeat the test whenever I get blood drawn. It's been in range.

alpha lipoic acid and thyroid issues
 

Has anyone here tried using alpha lipoic acid for thyroid problems, and if so, what type of thyroid condition did you take it for?

The effects on thyroid are not well documented. The study put up here was done on rats. There is only that one paper. Nothing else on PubMed. Since this study has not been replicated or
expanded upon, it remains murky at this point, IMO.
This one study has been picked up by many websites which mention it as POSSIBLE... that is because it is not confirmed in humans at this time, and r-lipoic has not been tested at all. R-lipoic was not available in 1991, as far as I know.

Dr. Sahelian has some information on it:
http://www.raysahelian.com/alphalipoicacid.html

Last month my cholesterol results showed a drop from 250 down to 194, but my HDL dropped from 34 to 23. R-lipoic acid and Acetyl-L-carnitine were the only two new supplements added to my daily regulars. The Dr. could not explain why my HDL had dropped. I have not taken cholesterol meds since getting PN five years ago. Any one have suggestion as to the HDL drop, isn't this the good stuff?

It has recently been found that not all HDLs are good.

In fact I think the whole cholesterol whooohaaa is full of errors.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0416/054.html

I think the whole premise is flawed. You can raise some HDL with fish oil, or by eating salmon once or twice a week, if it concerns you.

I sure hope to soon see the REAL truth regarding cholesterol, not some manufactured Big Pharm HYPE.