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CZZ74 09-17-2009 12:07 PM

thank you mike
 
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Originally Posted by bassman (Post 567412)
Isn't it interesting that these lesions seem to be quite common and well known to us here on the board, but doctors and other health professionals have never heard of them? I have had a couple of doctors insist they are varicose veins. Really? Varicose veins that are round, open, and oozing pus?

When did they teach med students that you are forbidden to say: “I don’t know, but I will try to find out”?

Sorry for the rant. I had a very frustrating visit yesterday with a new rheumatologist.

Mike

Its a good rant Mike and so true. None of it makes any sense to me. what about the hospital being terrified of mine and then not treating them at all. I know what you mean. take care.cz

CZZ74 09-17-2009 12:10 PM

Niki, thats going to be tough
 
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Originally Posted by alaska49 (Post 566306)
CZZ74, I did get your PM Thanks so much I will talk to my doctor about it the next time I see him and see what he says. What is it you use to make the area of the skin numb? When you put it on does that hurt? I honestly dont get very big warning signs before they open, the most I notice is thining of the skin then within hours it could be open and thats when the pain goes crazy. Where most of my lesions are, are on the limbs which I have very pour blood flow to the point my legs turn blue, so I already have so much pain everywhere that I think I just dont notice the lesions forming until they are there. Then some of my lesions were caused by a cut, surgery, or something so the damage is done and then it just wont heal. Its actually kind of strange I dont feel it until its to late as I am so sensitive I can feel someone walking in another room, or even if a hair from my dog falls on me I can feel it, so I dont really know why I dont notice the thinning of the skin like I should be. Thanks again!

Niki

Niki, thats going to be tough, perhaps when you feel the thining of the skin, I have much better warning then you and then I attack with the two gel system. The one I described in the orginal post on my knee there was no way it could be numbed until after 1 month, then with elma creme. prior to that it could not be touched with anything. so I know waht you meant. good luck.cz

denise18 10-17-2009 10:35 PM

CZ, My lesions didn't show up for abt 5 yrs either, have dealt with them for 16 yrs. mine are small and show up in the heat of summer. my arm is getting badly scarred. I get them all over but mainly bad arm. Saw lots of Drs dermtologists, allergist over the yrs. for it and they finally all said it was from nerve damage. None of them knew abt RSD. I called it exploding nerve endings, even a little one really hurts, I don't know how people handle the large ones. I've never had one larger than a dime. I've tried every kind of cream but would love a copy of your compound. I mainly use peroxide, they seem to have to heal from inside out, if they look red and angry i cover with bandaid and neosporim. Thanks Denise

Mslday 10-18-2009 11:55 AM

I've been reading through your stories and experiences with lesions. CZ I'm so sorry you a through all that at the hospital, it must have been very upsetting for you and I don't know how you managed to stay.

Last year this time I developed 2 lesions on the same leg of my original RSD site (left foot) and was hospitalized too. They did the same thing to me and placed me in isolation with full protection protocols in place. They wanted to make sure sure I was protected from any viruses and that nothing was spread from me until they figured out what was going on. In my case it was an easy diagnosis because I had been taking a new medication that is know in rare cases to cause Neutropenia and that is what in fact was was going on with me. The medication was destroying my white blood cells. They did a biopsy on both the lesions which was very painful but the lesions were not on my RSD foot, just on the the same leg. I don't think I would have been brave enough to let them touch my RSD foot. They gave me a high dose of IV antibiotics for a couple of days and then sent me home with oral antibiotics, probably a day or 2 too early but at least I could get into my own bed with my own warm surroundings. The lesions did heal but slowly.

That episode really scared me and since then I've been doing everything I can to keep my body & immune system supported.

This summer I developed blisters on my RSD foot that have been slow to heal but fortunately didn't develop into full blown lesions.

On RSDSA there is a a few articles on this subject for those interested. They are on the Medical Archives page under the category of "Complications" Below is one article I think is relevant to your posting.


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Wounds that Won’t Heal
By Anita L, Davis, PT, MSM, CA-AAPM, CEAS

Life is full of its bumps and bruises. Who among us does not have a knee or elbow scar from a fall off a bike? I remember a phase where I must have fallen every few weeks running on a sidewalk, with a scarred up knee to show for it.

The healing response from these sorts of injuries usually occurs in a predictable sequence. First, the tissues respond with inflammation that can last anywhere from 7 to 14 days. The increased circulation caused by inflammation brings in a flood of specialized cells to clear out wound debris. The next phase, fibroplasia, lasts for 7 to 10 days, and may overlap part of the inflammatory response. Fibroplasia is critical for establishing the presence of cells that begin to produce the foundation for new tissues. The final phase, remodeling, can last for weeks as tissues mature and regain their strength.1

This is not the case when complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) is involved, since nerves misfire and normal healing processes that are necessary do not occur. Although one study of 1,006 patients found that less than 7% of people with CRPS are affected by chronic open wounds2, this small percentage does not diminish the importance of addressing this issue. When left untreated or treated insufficiently, the wound can rapidly move to an infected state that jeopardizes the rest of the limb. Yet, because of the small proportion of people with both CRPS and chronic open wounds, there is very little literature to guide clinicians in the best practice.

Looking closer at issues that complicate skin integrity, vascular changes are the ones most reported, and the most problematic. Vascular changes have shown varying relationships between changes in the sympathetic nervous system and temperature differences.3 By assessing skin samples, others have noted changes in nerve innervation of hair follicles, sweat glands, and blood vessels.4

For those who have issues at the skin surface, chronic edema is frequently encountered. Using the same population as previously mentioned, 40% of those with complications presented with infection, 35% with ulcers and 36% chronic edema. Chronic edema has been consistently linked to further development of infection and additional complications. In the general population, edema can be managed with compression garments or other mechanical compression treatment, but with CRPS, this treatment is frequently intolerable without additional pain interventions.

Therefore, other strategies are employed, which can include lumbar sympathectomy, sympathetic blocks, or other similar treatments that have not only provided a degree of pain relief, but also assisted in healing the lesions.4,5 Some have even resorted to indwelling epidurals to provide a tolerance for mechanical compression to aid in healing.6,7 In addition, hyperbaric oxygen has been used in wound treatment.8 Although research is still in progress, some results are promising. None of the studies, however, involved the wounds of those with CRPS.8,9

Aggressive treatment may also include surgical reconstruction to aid in arterial blood flow. This even has its challenges in those not affected with CRPS.10 As with any surgical intervention, the surgery itself can pose a risk of increased pain for those with CRPS. It is estimated that 6% to 10% of patients with CRPS will require surgery on the affected extremity for various reasons.11 If provided with appropriate interventions, the probability of negative consequences can diminish. The recurrence rate of those receiving a stellate ganglion block with a surgical procedure was only 10%. This was also seen in those with intraoperative intravenous regional anesthesia using clonidine and lidocaine. The intravenous anesthesia was felt to be superior, given the inherent difficulty and complications with a stellate ganglion block.11

Other skin conditions include ulcers, bullae and other types of wound formation. Infection is a frequent complication of any skin lesion. Typically infections are addressed with antibiotics. However, topical treatments and oral antibiotics have been minimally effective in those with CRPS.7 Laan et al noted treatments such as intramuscular long-acting penicillin injections, intravenous mannitol infusion and intravenous penicillin.2 When infection repetitively develops in wounds of those with CRPS, antibiotics are frequently ineffective. Reasons for resistance to healing with conventional methods include impaired oxygen consumption and vascular abnormalities that affect blood flow in the extremities.2,3,7

With such difficulty in successful healing of wounds in individuals with CRPS, prevention is a critical component. There are generally recognized factors that one can control to minimize the potential of skin lesions. These include abstinence from cigarette smoking, clean hygiene, healthy eating habits, and exercise as able and proactively manage diabetes if present.12

Despite these basic efforts, wounds may still appear. The specific etiology of these wounds has not yet been identified to help determine the best course for prevention. Therefore, when such wounds present themselves on those with CRPS, immediate attention by a healthcare provider is recommended. Having a vascular surgeon involved may be necessary to provide good wound care and comprehensive treatment once infected wounds begin to appear.

References

1. Luedtke-Hoffmann KA, Schafer DS. Pulsed lavage in wound cleansing. Phys Ther. 2000;80(3):292-300.

2. van der Laan L, Veldman PH, Goris RJ. Severe complications of reflex sympathetic dystrophy: infection, ulcers, chronic edema, dystonia, and myoclonus. Arch Phys Med Rehabil. 1998;79(4):424-429.

3. Wasner G, Schattschneider J, Heckmann K, Maier C, Baron R. Vascular abnormalities in reflex sympathetic dystrophy (CRPS1): Mechanisms and diagnostic value. Brain. 2001;124(Pt 3):587-599.

4. Albrecht PJ, Hines S, Eisenberg E, et al. Pathologic alterations of cutaneous innervation and vasculature in affected limbs from patients with complex regional pain syndrome. Pain. 2006;120(3):244-266.

5. Lipp KE, Smith JB, Brandt TP, Messina JL. Reflex sympathetic dystrophy with mutilating ulcerations suspicious of a factitial origin. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1996;35(5 Pt 2):843-845.

6. Webster GF, Iozzo RV, Schwartzman RJ, Tahmoush AJ, Knobler RL, Jacoby RA. Reflex sympathetic dystrophy: occurrence of chronic edema and nonimmune bullous skin lesions. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1993;28(1):29-32.

7. Sundaram S, Webster GF. Vascular diseases are the most common cutaneous manifestations of reflex sympathetic dystrophy.. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2001;44(6):1050-1051.

8. Escobar SJ, Slade JB, Hunt TK, Cianci P. Adjuvant hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO2) for treatment of necrotizing fasciitis reduces mortality and amputation rate. Undersea Hyperb Med. 2005;32(6):437-443.

9. Weiland DE. Fasciotomy closure using simultaneous vacuum-assisted closure and hyperbaric oxygen. Am Surgeon. 2007;73(3):261-266.

10. Reuben SS, Rosenthal EA, Steinberg RB, Faruqi S, Kilaru PA. Surgery on the affected upper extremity of patients with a history of complex regional pain syndrome: the use of intravenous regional anesthesia with clonidine. J Clin Anesth. 2004;16:517-522.

11. Reuben SS, Rosenthal EA, Steinberg RB. Surgery on the affected upper extremity of patients with a history of complex regional pain syndrome: a retrospective study of 100 patients. J Hand Surg [Am]. 2000;25A(6):1147-1151.

12. Orsted HL, Searles GE, Trowell H, Shapera L, Miller P, Rahman J. Best practice recommendations for the prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of diabetic foot ulcers: update 2006. Adv Skin Wound Care. 2007;20(12):655-669.

http://www.rsds.org/2/library/articl...#Complications

MsL


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