The "House" passed something big, by a slim margin.

What do Ya'll think of this?
Of course, the Senate will have it's own version.
WHO is going to pay for all this?

Will they hafto use this as well, in other words, will this "law", if passed apply to them? (Our lawmakers and leaders?)

The house and senate voted themselves BIG raises for '09.
$4700, and $5300.
How do you feel about that?
What was anyone in your family's chance of getting a raise like that this year?



Incumbents for the most part, should go, imho. (regardless of party) unless they've done an outstanding job.

WARNING: This Thread must Stay Off Politics! (Sorry for the Name, in the Thread)!
Meant for Educating each other on the news.

pete

I'm afraid of what this means for us.?.

Kim,
I understand.... BUT, you're NOT afraid to speak!
We need to get a conversation going.....
I used to know what I spoke of, now, with a Tbi, I can't say I'm stupid, just slower...
I like to have different points of view posted in front of me!
Thanks!

pete

just a reminder here before the discussion moves forward that NeuroTalk has guidelines that do *not* permit any form of partisan political discussion

so please be sure to keep this conversation from becoming in any way party political

discussing health care reform is ok, but it is a fine line in doing so without becoming too political

we ran a poll during the election and the members of NT voted to keep politics off the forums as it inevitably leads to discord
FYI here is a link to the poll thread from last year for those that may have missed it then
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=54921

Chemar,
Thank you, and I didn't know that.
I named the thread wrongly. It's not so much political / partisan, it's what they're all forcing on us (Not one party or another).
That's why I specifically put in my first post that I don't care "regardless of party".

But, thanks for the warning! (I put a warning in the first post).

I'm still a little green.
Well, not real little, or real green, but, you know! (not quite, but almost, Kermit).
Thanks again, for doin' what you do!

pete

thanks for understanding Pete

last thing we want is for members to start falling out with each other over political stuff so that is why NT has always had a guideline calling for "limited" political comments
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1293
during last years election, there was a lot of upset over political discussion and so that is why Doc ran the poll

we do have social groups where more open political discussion is allowed tho
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/group.php

Thanks for your kind help, Chemar!

I'm trying to get some input from others on this health bill. The news can be overwhelming to me, and, I don't know who to trust, (because even the news can be partisan).
We have some very intelligent and informed members here, and I was trying to get an idea on the "Health Bill", not the politics behind it.

Again, my thanks!

Pete

it is fine to discuss and analyze the bill and its pros and cons...in fact, very relevant!

you truly did no wrong in starting the discussion Pete...just the political in the title that could be misinterpreted so my post was more to prevent any discord arising

but a respectful discussion on the issue of health care and the legislation, keeping the political as limited and generic as possible, is a-ok

I don't see what's so wrong with a generalized government health care system. It's pretty common in Europe. We have obligatory government health care. Of course, it has its cost, that's the downside. The upside is, no more poverty due to the unaffordability of the most basic health care, no more hugely expensive meds (that is so sad to see from a country such as the US). But is the system that President Obama has envisaged going to be as comprehensive as the European models? I don't think so, so I don't get why so many Americans are so afraid of this.

Thanks, Marleen.
Great to have a view from the other side of the pond!

People are afraid of Change.

I myself, would like to see insurance that covers more, and eliminate the lifetime cap!
For instance,
I pay $850/month for myself, alone. (I can remember when that covered my entire family, and I'm not saying how much further back I remember!).
But, I'm still not covered for Vision, or Dental, and have annoying copays on prescriptions, and my neurologist is "Out of Network". I would like to see those things corrected.
When I owned my business, I had a small group, which was quite a bit less expensive).

Paperwork. There's too much!
I have Blue Cross's best policy, and it's designed to take fairly good care of you, with a semi major crisis.
But, it's also designed to make it difficult, to make claims. (I'm not Mr Paperwork).

And, most all policies here, have a One Million dollar lifetime limit.
We know, that some maladies can go above that, and the idea of insurance is to prevent catastrophic loss.
I hope the new law abolishes any lifetime limits.

I do understand, that they're changing it to eliminate the pre-existing condition clauses. Which is great!

I also hope, that the lawmakers themselves, are subject to falling under this law.
(Congress has the world's best health care plan, as far as I know)...

pete

(Thanks again, Chemar!)