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fmichael 04-16-2010 02:47 AM

Wendy - First of all, Marinol (dronabinol) is perfectly legal throughout the US, and in 1999 was transferred down a notch from a Schedule II drug, such as Oxycontin, to Schedule III, so it can be refillable, etc. You can access a copy of its U.S. prescribing information sheet directly through an FDA site at http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsa...025s026lbl.pdf

In addition to its use as an anti-nausea drug, it's also approved as an appetite supplement for HIV patients. Munchies, go figure.

In terms of other side effects, the big thing I've noticed is that if I take anything beyond the minimally required therapeutic dose, and you sort if have to learn this by trial and error, there will be minor thought/judgment distortions. Nothing wild mind you, but it's easy to slip into seeing some new all important connection between various phenomena and then have an urgent and ultimately embarrassing need to communicate that to too many people via email. At least it is for me. It's hard to explain, but I can just tell when my orientation is a little off, for want of a better word, and then the key is just to acknowledge that what you are experiencing is a little buzz, nothing more or less. And so long as you keep that in mind, it's not a problem. (The technical terms for that kind of a discordant experience include depersonalization and mood alteration.) It is however a reminder not take the second pill if only one will do. Which is why I suppose there are a lot a warnings about prescribing this to children. Using it responsibly requires judgment on the patient's part, again because there's some degree of titration involved.

That said, it's amazingly non-toxic. I am quite frankly surprised to see reports that 3 -10 % of people taking it reported GI disturbances, where I spent much of the late Sixties and early Seventies surrounded by pot and pot-heads, and don't recall anyone every mentioning those sort of complaints, any I have certainly never experienced it with Marinol. More importantly, a good friend of mine buys her medicinal pot through a large AIDS clinic in SF, where much of it comes in the form of baked goods; if these baked good are not routinely causing people gastric distress - and they do not - it's hard to think that the active incrediant in Marinol, Dronabinol (an exact copy of the naturally occuring delta-9-THC molecule) is the culprit. Perhaps some people are sensitive to the medium of gelatin, glycerin, and sesame oil. Don't know.

And considering that the maximum recommended dose is 20 mg./day, that statement in the FDA sheet that "Significant CNS symptoms in antiemetic [used or tending to prevent or check vomiting] studies followed oral doses of 0.4 mg/kg (28 mg/70 kg) of MARINOL Capsules," sounded about right, if by that they were referring to memory impairment, depersonalization, mood alteration, etc. But seriously, how scary can it be if they're running human experiments at ten times that level:
An abstinence syndrome has been reported after the abrupt discontinuation of dronabinol in volunteers receiving dosages of 210 mg/day for 12 to 16 consecutive days. Within 12 hours after discontinuation, these volunteers manifested symptoms such as irritability, insomnia, and restlessness. By approximately 24 hours post-dronabinol discontinuation, withdrawal symptoms intensified to include “hot flashes”, sweating, rhinorrhea, loose stools, hiccoughs and anorexia.
As in what did they expect? And I laughed when I read that the "estimated lethal human dose of intravenous dronabinol is 30 mg/kg (2100 mg/ 70 kg)." At 5 mg./capsules and 60 capsules per bottle, that works out to 7 bottles, or a 3 & 1/2 month supply at the maximum recommended dose! (I defy anyone to imagine surviving a single iv injection of a 3 & 1/2 mo. supply of any prescription med of a CRPS patient.)
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Corinne - I too live in a state where medical marijuana is readily available: at something over 800 storefront locations in LA alone, most of which are happy to refer you to a doctor who, for a small fee, will give you the necessary paper work for whatever is causing you concern. As a result, the legitimate pain management physicians - the ones who are dealing with hideously painful conditions that require the use of powerful opioids and the resulting DEA scrutiny - don't need to have someone wondering why they've entered the carnival show. So if they are happier prescribing Marinol while periodically performing random screens for medications not on the patient's list, I'm happy to play by those rules in exchange for top flight quality care.

Mike

fmichael 04-16-2010 08:11 PM

small bump
 
Corrected my last.

Mycah 04-20-2010 10:20 PM

Here's a current article on medical marijuana and patients with chronic pain/RSD:

http://www.uccsscribe.com/news/the-d...sers-1.2231398

Mslday 04-21-2010 12:04 AM

Hi there,

I've been having spasms in my left side under my rib cage for the past couple of years, its a pain that waxes and wains , sometimes sharp and stabbing, sometimes intense deep throbbing. Actually we finally just narrowed it down to my colon in the past couple of months after many diagnostic tests.

I also experience many muscle spasms in my chest, it almost feels like I'm having a heart attack when those come on as I can't move or breath from the intense grabbing sharpness of the pain just under my breast bone. The spasms are all on the left side of my body where my RSD typically likes to run a muck. My doctor prescribed a common calcium channel antagonist called dicetel for my bowels. It supposed to help relax the colon muscles (good for an irritable bowel) but I just started it so I need to give it a bit of time.

I tried a few of the THC derived pain meds and didn't like the way they made me feel, spaced out and not with it, nor could I determine that they had any specific effectiveness on the random spasms roaming my body.

For what it's worth I find that the spasms are more rampant when my stress levels are increased or if I'm not paying attention to a good diet and healthy life style.

Warm wishes.

MsL


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