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*pamela* 04-26-2012 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lovefamilypets (Post 759867)
Hi Sarah,
I am actually looking into both IVIG and Ketamine and trying to decide which one to do since they both are extremely expensive.

I know it's been awhile since this thread has been active, but I'm also looking into IVIG and Ketamine. Was wondering if you ended up deciding/how things are progressing for you. Were you able to get your insurance to cover anything (if you did proceed with IVIG or Ketamine).

I am only 24, and about a year into CRPS in my foot. I can't do any more nerve blocks so I am trying to look into other options... there aren't even that many choices but it can all feel so overwhelming... glad for any information you can provide (or anyone else can, for that matter).

Lots of hugs!!!

debbiehub 04-26-2012 09:05 AM

Ivig
 
I had ivig ,,,I have full body rsd and small fiber neuropathy in my leg from the rsd, my insurance paid for most of it. It was done in my neurologist infusion suite, takes about 4-6 hours. I had it done for 4 days in a row once a month for 5 months. It didn't do anything for me. Like everything else....I am really hoping the tDCS works!,, oh and you may need a cardio Clarence..cause the ivig is thicker than tour blood so they want to make sure your heart is ok,,,

Debbie

Ambika 12-07-2012 10:46 PM

Iv Ig for CRPS Worked for Me!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lovefamilypets (Post 759518)
Has anyone tried IVIG for CRPS? I read the article discussing the double blind trial in England of 13 patients with CRPS who received IVIG and had some good results. I was wondering if anyone in the US has tried this? If you have, did you see any decrease in CRPS pain/symptoms? How much did it cost? Thanks!

I'm 57 years old and have lived with CRPS since age 23. It began in the right foot, spread to the left foot, up both legs, to hands, arms, shoulders, sacral and thoracic portions of the torso, etc. Before IvIg, and Iv glutathione too, I took 3,600mg Neurontin(Gabapentin), 120mg Cymbalta, 10mg Methadone, and 2mg Klonopin a day. For about 8 months, I have been taking 20grams intravenous immunoglobulins (Privogen) every 21 days, and, after a saline flush, intravenous glutathione. I had been taking both glutathione and lipoic acid intravenously for about a year and a half.

I started with just lipoid, daily. It helped. Then I added glutathione, which helped much more. It was the IvIg that helped most. Now, I do not take any Methadone. I do not take any Cymbalta. I take .5 Klonopin at bedtime and plan to eliminate that soon. I take 300mg Neurontin morning and noon and 400mg Neurontin at bedtime. I have less pain and more energy. I'm a 'walkie' now - no longer a 'wheelie.' I'm near the end of a process of slowly eliminating all medications. Even though studies have been done showing efficacy of IvIg for CRPS and other autoimmune diseases, more need to be done. More people need to know about the treatment and demand that insurance cover it. In the end, it does not cost more than all the other CRPS 'therapies.' To get this therapy covered is going to take a lot of noise from a lot of people with MS, RA, CRPS, Lupus, Alzheimers and so many other autoimmune diseases. (IvIg was as miraculous for my daughter with MS as it was for me with CRPS). Unfortunately for so many of us, and more of us all the time, IvIg is not something drug companies can patent. So, the money from Big Pharma is behind drugs that don't work and not ever going to support studies of
IvIg for anything.....And just now I see debbiehubb's post below. I'm going to write to her now to ask what insurance she has that pays for IvIg. That is something I have not heard of! Wishing you good healing. ambika

Ambika 12-07-2012 11:28 PM

IvIg worked for me
 
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Originally Posted by Swatgen27 (Post 759822)
Hi everyone
I have never heard of ivig treatment. It sound like it is having some really profound results. What is this treatment and what type of dr administers this treatment. I have tried everything including ketamine and have been out of treatments (besides taking meds that I would prefer not to take) and lost all hope after the ketamine came to crossroads that was unexpected... I would love to hear more about this treatment and thank you for posting a thread on it.
Sarah

Dear Sarah,

IvIg is an acronym for "intravenous immunoglobulin type G," which is G tpe antibodies that protect us from viruses and bacteria. The G type antibodies are obtained from the blood plasma of 1,000 donors. It is a substance of which healthy bodies make plenty. You can have a blood test to determine your own levels of Ig (immunoglobulin-G), as well as the other sub-classes of immunoglobulins. My levels of most immunoglobulins were awfully low. My daughter, who has MS, had similar low levels.


The intravenous part, means that the Ig is infused into a vein. My doctor is an infectious disease specialist and runs his own private clinic. He prepares all substances for infusion under a sterile hood. And, he uses a small butterfly needle inserted into veins in the back of the hand or inside arm just above the wrist. This good doctor insists upon performing intravenous infusions in the farthest extremity. If you start inside the elbow, where phlebotomists usually draw blood, then there are not many alternate routes left. For those requiring regular infusions for a long time or even for a lifetime, it is important to conserve veins!

Ig is not a drug. It works better than all the drugs and surgeries and TENS units put together.

Ig must be infused at least every 21 days. It takes 2 to 2 and 1/2 hours. Working with my doctor, we discovered that 20grams every 21 days is what both my daughter and I need to stay well and reduce or eliminate pain.

IvIg begins to wear off after 2 weeks. Going longer than 3 weeks between infusions is not advisable for the immunocompromised.

As for low immunity, I wonder if everyone with an autoimmune disease has low immunity and could benefit enormously from receiving IvIg. I do know about studies done quite a long time ago, as well as more recently, showing the efficacy of IvIg for many autoimmune disorders. You can search PubMed, or simply google IvIg for CRPS or IvIg for autoimmune disorders.

I suppose there are other doctors that will do it. It can be done by a home nursing service too, although I have too much experience receiving intravenous treatment and seeing other people receive it as well, to recommend this route. It is best to always have a doctor as close as the next room. I would venture a guess that any place that gives chemotherapy via Iv could also put Ig into a vein.

My doctor uses Privogen. It is a superior Ig product. If research various brands of Ig, you will find that some are made with glucose. These types cause trouble. Privogen is made with saline and is the safest Ig product my doctor knows. He has been infusing Privogen brand Ig without any problems for a very long time. I recommend googling Privogen and reading more about it.

Eight months ago I was taking the following drugs: Neurontin 3600mg daily (generic name: Gabapentin - I can't take it due to the gluten added into the generic form); Cymbalta 120mg daily; Methadone 10 mg daily; Klonopin 2mg at bedtime. I used a lot of Lidocaine patches too.

I'm 57. CRPS began at age 23 and spread throughout my body. After about 8 months on 20grams of IvIg every 21 days, I am well on the way to being drug free. I no longer take Methadone or Cymbalta. Neurontin is reduced to 300mg am and noon and 400mg at bedtime. Klonopin is at .5mg at bedtime. I'm aiming for another week or two to wean off of the last drug doses. I have much less pain and way more energy. I'm walking quite a lot. I used to use a scooter and don't even use a cane now.

I wish you good healing. ambika

Ambika 12-07-2012 11:40 PM

RSD for 34 Years And It Worked for Me
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by firegirl (Post 759895)
My pulmonologist told me about that exact same study. Apparently that is either the only or one of the only studies done yet. I'm kinda skeptical just bc thats such a small study. I did some reading up on it on forums & got the impression that it can be helpful during the beginning of RSD & can reduce pain a few points, but not a miracle & doesnt work once you have had RSD long. I hope I am wrong & that it works. I posted about this too, maybe you can find others responses on there. Hope it works for you.

In my experience, which involves living with whole body CRPS for 34 years, IVIg does work. It took 8 months of 20grams Prigoven infused every 3 weeks.

The thing about study size is that only big pharmaceutical studies have the cash, or else government funding (which they then turn a profit on), to run big studies. Pharmaceutical companies are not able to patent IvIg. These companies make money by selling patented substances. And, they are not going to bother studying anything that could displace the drugs they make and patent.

So far, healing from an autoimmune disease like CRPS or CRPS or MS or Lupus, etc. has not occurred via symptom managing (pain killing) with drugs and immune modulation (really immune system killing) drugs.

IvIg has done the most for me. Iv glutathione and lipoic acid helped too. I don't bother with lipoic anymore. I get glutathione weekly and IvIg every 3 weeks.

Wishing you good healing. ambika

Ambika 12-07-2012 11:54 PM

Iv Ig for CRPS Worked for Me too!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Momofcrpsson (Post 760275)
My son has suffered with CRPS in both knees since age 14; he's now 21. We've tried everything, with 10-day ketamine infusion in September being the most recent - all to no avail. His doctor is willing to try the IVIG treatment with him but Nick's hesitant to get his hopes up again only to be dashed by another failed treatment. Do you receive the treatments in the hospital? How long is the infusion? And what, if any, preliminary tests have to be done prior to receiving treatment? Thanks!

Dear One,
I am elated to hear that you have had success with IvIg treatment. Any safe way to lower or eliminate the pain is a wonderful, precious thing. I am 57 and have lived with CRPS spread throughout my body for 34 years. I've had 20grams of Privogen (a superior Ig brand) given intravenously every 21 days, as well as intravenous glutathione. In a week or two, I expect to be off all pain relieving medications. I used to take 3600mg Neurontin daily, 10mg Methadone daily, 120mg Cymbalta daily, and 2mg Klonopin at bedtime. I also used lots of Lidocaine patches. Now, I do not take Methadone or Cymbalta. I have not used a Lidocaine patch in months. I take 300mg Neurontin in the am and at noon and 400mg Neurontin at bedtime. I take .5 mg of Klonopin at bedtime. By next week, I plan to drop the .5 Klonopin and another 200mg Neurontin. Soon, I expect to be drug free. I'm already scooter and wheelchair free.

I receive treatment at the private clinic of an infectious disease specialist. Before treatment, it is necessary to have a blood test to determine your own Ig levels, as well as Ia and other subclasses of antibodies.

Good luck. I wish you and your son good healing. ambika

Kevscar 12-09-2012 03:34 AM

There was no funding to tale that trial any further so I wouldn't put much stock in the results from 13 sufferers and when I asked the Doctor in charge if he would be prepared to spend 3 - 4 hours for the chance of £500,000 in research funds he said he didn't need the money unfriggingbelievable

Ambika 04-04-2013 05:44 PM

Success with IvIg(Privogen) and Glutathione for CRPS!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lovefamilypets (Post 759518)
Has anyone tried IVIG for CRPS? I read the article discussing the double blind trial in England of 13 patients with CRPS who received IVIG and had some good results. I was wondering if anyone in the US has tried this? If you have, did you see any decrease in CRPS pain/symptoms? How much did it cost? Thanks!

After more than 30 years with CRPS that began in right foot and spread throughout my body, I have finally recovered. Testing showed that I was not producing Glutathione. Testing also showed extremely low IgG and subclasses. Intravenous glutathione treatment helped but did not reverse or stop the disease. IvIg helped much more. Once I started getting 20 grams of IvIg every 21 days, I improved rapidly. I used to have constant involuntary muscle twitching and cramping of legs, feet, fingers, hands, memory problems and other body areas - not to mention the severe pain, periods of swelling and sweating and color changes, etc. I'm no longer in pain! No more involuntary muscle twitching or cramping either. If I am on my feet too much, then they hurt. But, they recover the next day. I am off all medications, which were: Neurontin 3600mg per day, Cymbalta 120mg per day, Klonopin 2mg at bedtime, Methadone 5mg twice a day. I'm drug free and pain free!!!! My doctor says that research results seem to indicate that about 50% of people with autoimmune, neurodegenerative disorders are able to be helped with IvIg.

It is too bad that insurance companies will pay for drugs that don't work AND have undesirable effects (the marketing term for these is "side effects") but will not pay for IvIg.

IvIg must the right brand, such as Privogen, the brand my doctor has been using without any problems for many years. Any brand of IvIg that uses sucrose in its mixture is dangerous.

Before receiving IvIg treatment, patients should have a blood test for IgG and subclasses plus IgA. Measuring IgA is important, because people with low levels of IgA are unable to tolerate IvIg therapy.

Other countries are using IvIg. In Canada, for instance, the government pays for people to receive IvIg treatment. The MNI, the Montreal Neurological Institute, provides IvIg treatment (Privogen)to people with Multiple Sclerosis and other autoimmune, neuromuscular and neurodegenerative diseases.

PS. Re Love Family Pets: I love my Bouvier des Flandres dog!!!

Ambika 04-04-2013 05:51 PM

It works for me!! No More CRPS after 30 years!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by firegirl (Post 759895)
My pulmonologist told me about that exact same study. Apparently that is either the only or one of the only studies done yet. I'm kinda skeptical just bc thats such a small study. I did some reading up on it on forums & got the impression that it can be helpful during the beginning of RSD & can reduce pain a few points, but not a miracle & doesnt work once you have had RSD long. I hope I am wrong & that it works. I posted about this too, maybe you can find others responses on there. Hope it works for you.

Dear One,

It works!

IvIg, Privogen brand only, at 20grams every 21 days, cured the severe RSD/CRPS I lived with for over 30 years. I am medication free, pain free, and without the constant involuntary muscle twitching and cramping.

I also receive Iv Glutathione, because testing showed that I was not producing any. It helps a lot, but the IvIg is what took the disease away.

It is important to have a good brand of IvIg - one made without sucrose. My doctor has used Privogen for many years without any trouble for any patients.

It is also important to be tested for IgG and subclasses, as well as IgA. The IgA levels are important, because people with low IgA levels are unable to tolerate IvIg treatment.

I wish you success in healing!!!!

Ambika 04-04-2013 06:04 PM

CRPS Works for About 50%...at any stage or time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevscar (Post 938029)
There was no funding to tale that trial any further so I wouldn't put much stock in the results from 13 sufferers and when I asked the Doctor in charge if he would be prepared to spend 3 - 4 hours for the chance of £500,000 in research funds he said he didn't need the money unfriggingbelievable

Dear One,

After 30 years with severe CRPS, I am pain free and medication free. IvIg, Privogen brand, 20 grams every 21 days, is what did it.

There is much research evidence showing that approximately 50% of people with neurodegenerative disorders are able to be helped with IvIg. Not all of the research has been done in this country.

There is so much evidence of IvIg's efficacy, that the Canadian government pays for patients to receive IvIg therapy. My daughter, who has recovered from severe MS with IvIg therapy (Privogen brand), receives free IvIg at the MNI, Montreal Neurological Institute. The Canadian government only pays for unproven therapies or medications.

If you have low IgG levels and do not have low IgA levels as well, then it may be worth finding out if you are one of the 50% who can be helped with IvIg therapy.

Wishing you success in healing!!!


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