Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)


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Old 03-24-2007, 09:37 AM #1
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Question Have you tried folic acid for your RSD?

A friend was telling me that she had something called "burning mouth syndrome" and she had the burning hot nerve pain and after she took folic acid for 3 weeks it went away. She mentioned it to me knowing that I have nerve pain.

Has anyone tried folic acid for their RSD?
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Old 03-24-2007, 02:07 PM #2
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Default Burning Mouth Syndrome

Hello. I am a 60 year old retired teacher. Following surgeries
for an ankle fusion and then both knees being replaced, I
developed a strange neuropathy and have Burning Mouth
Syndrome. I went to the Mayo Clinic and they said this
is idiopathic... which means the patient is pathetic and the
doctors are idiots. I take Lyrica (the new neurotin) and sip
ice water all day. I'm searching for others with similar
problems so we can compare notes. I have heard of trying
folic acid, but haven't tried it yet. Does anyone out there
also have a similar situation or BMS problems? Kate

I see there are icons I may add to this message, but don't
see a dragon breathing fire... which would be appropriate
for BMS!
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Hi Vanessa,

Interesting food for thought there, I just looked it up and perhaps I may increase my intake a tad because of this:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/n...ory_44119.html
Folic Acid Boosts Cognition in Older Adults
Study finding is latest word in debate over the nutrient's merits

FRIDAY, Jan. 19 (HealthDay News) -- Dutch researchers have added another chapter to the continuing debate over whether folic acid supplements can sharpen the aging mind. Their conclusion: The nutrient does improve cognitive function in older adults.........The same Dutch researchers, reporting in the Jan. 2 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine, found that people who took a folic acid supplement had less decline in hearing low-frequency sounds over time, compared with people who didn't take the supplement.

Wikipaedia seems to have the best round-up of folic acid (what did I know about it ).

But I see there's quite a controversy over its effects in other areas - importantly, taking too much can mask B12 deficency, and there are other question regarding its interplay with cancer and heart disease.

We should get most of the right amount in the food we eat in a normal healthy diet (green leaves, wheat cereals, etc) so probably no need to supplement it really, and it seems we definitely shouldn't take too much. BTW, I probably have been taking it for RSD without realizing it, my diet is pretty healthy so I should already be getting enough....

Still, the "cognition impairment" findings are pretty interesting for someone my age......maybe I'll give it a go (cautiously) - and you'll see a Whole New Me

Thanks for mentioning it!
all the best
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Hey Artist, maybe it will help you!


I have been taking folic acid for 4 or 5 weeks and I haven't noticed a difference with the nerve pain, but I decided to mention it here anyways.
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Hello. I am a 60 year old retired teacher. Following surgeries
for an ankle fusion and then both knees being replaced, I
developed a strange neuropathy and have Burning Mouth
Syndrome. I went to the Mayo Clinic and they said this
is idiopathic... which means the patient is pathetic and the
doctors are idiots. I take Lyrica (the new neurotin) and sip
ice water all day. I'm searching for others with similar
problems so we can compare notes. I have heard of trying
folic acid, but haven't tried it yet. Does anyone out there
also have a similar situation or BMS problems? Kate

I see there are icons I may add to this message, but don't
see a dragon breathing fire... which would be appropriate
for BMS!
This forum that you posted in is for RSD, so I don't know if anyone here could help. Try searching the other areas of the forum and maybe you could find someone to talk with about BMS.
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The Effects of Nutritional Factors on the Neurotransmitters - and therefore on Chronic Pain

By 'nutrition' I am referring mostly to the amino-acids, which are peptide parts of our protein foods; vitamins; and minerals. They also act against depression and insomnia, adding further to their beneficial effects in chronic pain patients, whose pain is aggravated by these two other conditions.

"It is now certain that some amino-acids in the diet can influence brain-activity by enhancing or reducing the metabolic rates of different neurotransmitters".

"After long-term caloric restriction in Fischer-344 rats of both sexes, dopamine and 5HT content were decreased significantly in the caudate nucleus and the hypothalamus".
"Dietary fluctuations in nutrient availability are factors in the regulation of brain function. Until recently, the prevailing view was that brain biochemistry and function were influenced by diet only when biochemical and clinical evidence of nutrient deficiency was present. It is now clear that the brain is sensitive and responsive to diet composition. Preliminary data show that variation in vitamin and mineral nutrient intakes over ranges that are considered to maintain normal nutritional status may impact brain chemistry, owing to their many coenzyme roles. Furthermore, the synthesis of at least 5 brain neurotransmitters, namely serotonin, the 2 catecholamines, acetylcholine, histamine and glycine, responds to dietary fluctuations in availability of their nutrient precursors, tryptophan, tyrosine, choline, histidine and threonine, respectively. Not only are these biochemical events altered by normal variations in diet composition, but considerable evidence now exists to show that the brain uses this information to regulate many functions ... under both normal and disease conditions".

This is also the way in which nutritional factors control or influence neuromuscular dysfunction, as in myofascial pain syndromes such as temperomandibular joint pain syndrome. Fibromyalgia can be a feature of hypothyroidism, so, if subtle degrees of hypothyroidism are promptly diagnosed and treated, this would prevent another cause of chronic pain..

"The use of dietary metabolic precursors to neurotransmitters in the management of chronic pain patients has received critical attention for several years. ... The serotonergic system serves as a useful model ... Oral L-tryptophan administration decreases the perception of pain, appearing to act synergistically with the enkephalins and endorphins. ... [There is] decreased pain perception, increased pain threshold, and improved sleep [which also helps the chronic pain patient's pain-perception]. From a therapeutic standpoint, dietary modification would appear to be attractive, due to its low economic basis, decreased risk of addiction and dependence [I would say no risk], as well as simplicity".

Several vitamins and minerals are required as essential enzymes in the production of these neurotransmitters from their precursors: e.g., folic acid; vitamin B6; and vitamin C. A deficiency of these vitamins and minerals can therefore cause a low pain-threshold, depression, insomnia, etc..

Tropamine(R), a combination amino-acid, vitamin and mineral preparation that has been found to improve the neuromodulator deficits induced by cocaine-abuse, can be used to maximize neurotransmitter-levels in cases of chronic pain as well.


Other Nutritional Effects that Promote Healing

Spondylosis is a cause of chronic pain. Vitamin E has been shown to cure spondylosis, probably by its antioxidant effect.

Antioxidant nutrients have also been found very helpful in the healing of recurrent non-gallstone pancreatitis. Therefore it is likely that they would be helpful in chronic pain caused by other inflammatory conditions also.

D-PhenylAlanine (an amino-acid which blocks carboxypeptidase) has been found to enhance the effectiveness of acupuncture analgesia and acupuncture anesthesia in the treatment of low back pain and toothache by 16-35%, depending on the timing of its dosing 48 .

Osteoporosis can be prevented and alleviated by paying attention to bone's multimineral requirements (not just calcium), and also to its requirements of proteins, and vitamins D and B12.

Herpes zoster can be healed more quickly, and its pain can be diminished significantly, by vitamin B12.
(from:http://www.johndommissemd.com/member.../chr-pain.html)

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I also found this interesting supplement, and it seems like a good one... I'll be looking into it more. Here it is:
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NeuroHelp Essential™ is an exciting new vitamin/supplement product specifically formulated to improve nerve health. It helps in a natural way to reduce neural discomfort and provide functional nerve support.

This formulation may be particularly useful in strengthening the nervous systems of people at risk for age-related nerve disorders such as Alzheimers', Parkinson's, reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), and especially, peripheral neuropathy. In fact, for general nerve healthiness, anyone over 50 might well benefit from the protective vitamins, minerals and other active supplements in the NeuroHelp Essential™ formulation.

The ingredients have been chosen for their superior neuroprotective and neuroenhancing properties. Selections were based on clinical studies and other substantial evidence of effectiveness.

For topical relief Click Here to learn more about Neuragen - a US FDA registered proprietary natural medication for treating diabetic pain, shingles pain, fibromyalgia and other neuropathic pain by topical application.

Extended Description:

The NeuroHelp formulation, with 90 tablets in each bottle, contains 20 key supplements that have demonstrated strong neuroprotective values. They serve all the purposes mentioned on the previous page: improving neural transmissions, raising antioxidant levels, and correcting nutrient deficiencies that may exist. Included are:

* a full B 50 mg complex with added B1 (thiamine) - 250 mg total - and additional biotin - 5 mg - as well as 1000 mcg of B12 in the preferred bioavailable methyl cobalamin form
* 400 mcg of folate (folic acid) (to help improve cognitive function)
* 1000 mg of N-acetyl L-carnitine (a powerful amino acid to protect neuron cells from aging)
* 600 mg of alpha lipoic acid (a double acting antioxidant)
* 1000 mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids (another excellent antioxidant)
* 200 mg of grape seed extract (perhaps the best antioxidant of them all)
* a full complement of the most helpful neuroprotective minerals, including calcium (100 mg), chromium (400 mcg), magnesium (200 mg), and zinc (50mg)

Taken together these supplements represent an excellent regime for neural support in connection with the nerve-related disorders mentioned above - both prior to or after onset.

Incidentally, the ingredients in the formulation are in the strengths and forms recommended in the book, Nutrients for Neuropathy, as suggested by the clinical trials and the other information discussed there.

Note: The amounts shown are for the recommended daily dose of two servings Nerve-Related Discorders

As people age they become more susceptible to disorders affecting the central and peripheral nervous systems. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and peripheral neuropathies are prime examples. Reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), fibromyalgia, Sjogren's and multiple sclerosis are other examples of maladies with significant neural consequences; these can occur at any age.

The nutrients in a good supplement program can act powerfully, both separately and in combination, to strengthen and support the body's nervous systems both before and after onset of these afflictions.

Mechanisms of Action

In a number of cases supplements may improve neurotransmissions- i.e., they can enhance the ability of chemical molecules that carry information to and from the brain to do their work. Somtimes this is done by the supplements helping to rebuild the myelin sheath around nerves. Other times damaged nerve axons themselves may be repaired over a period of time.

Elimination of free radicals is also an important contribution from many supplements. Free radicals are atoms with an odd number of electrons formed when oxygen interacts with certain molecules. The highly reactive radicals can start a chain reaction when once formed. Nerve or other cells may function poorly or die if this occurs. The body has a defense system of antioxidants to prevent free radical damage but often its antioxidants are insufficient and must be supplemented from other sources.

The correction of nutritional deficiencies is sometimes also necessary. A good supplement program can supply ingredients that will provide the body, either directly or indirectly, with a number of important nutrients that it may lack in connection with one or more of the above maladies. In fact even if there is not a deficiency of a particular nutrient, supplementation may still provide neurological benefits.
(from: http://www.fitzz.com/NeuroHelp-Essential-P3453C59.aspx)
side note: I put this post in this topic because this supplement does include folic acid for nerves...
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Default Thanks In His Hands for all those links

Thanks for all those links re: Neurogen and the Neuro Help Essentials. I have tried every topical product and none work for my excruciating lower back pain. Maybe I'll give this a try - but it is expensive. I am now taking folic acid prescribed by neuropathic Dr. Not sure how much. The research you included said 800mcg. a day.
I have to call to check on the size of the pills. I can't swallow big pills.
Thanks to you and all others for their efforts in doing all the research on this forum.
I actually shouldn't complain about the price. I would pay anything to get rid of this chronic, excruciating back pain, burning mouth, etc. accompanied by disability. I have severe FM and RSD. Trying to get into ketamine treatment.
Thanks for your help.
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