Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)


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Old 05-21-2015, 04:15 PM #11
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Hi Erika,

You have been through so much. I am sorry that your recent treatment was not successful. I had extensive neurolysis of my posterior tibial and plantar nerves and a neuroma removed from my calcaneal branch. Nerve surgery is not easy even when it goes as well as possible. It can take a year or even two to calm down and really give you an idea where you are. Trying to keep pain down during that time is obviously important and can be a challenge.

I ended up on neurontin which helped but killed my mood, that doesn't happen to everyone though. Then I switched to nortriptyline which has also helped. Do they have you on anything to calm the nerves down? Also it can be worthwhile to take a short course of oral steroids for nerve inflammation. This was something I did in the first 4 months and had a good response to it. You might also ask about an alpha blocker. Injured nerves become sensitized and can add more adrenoreceptors which then makes them even more sensitive. Alpha blockers have shown some utility for this problem.

Keep holding on and do not give up. It can take months as you know. Ian Carroll of Stanford pain said mastectomy patients continue to show improvement in incisional nerve pain even after three years time, with it sometimes disappearing completely. That is a long time to be sure but it means there is hope. I am 14 months out from my big nerve surgery and just now feel things are starting to settle. Early on it was hard to imagine the progress I would make over the last year's time, but it is coming slow and steady. I hope you get relief soon.

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i just underwent a medically induced ketamine coma in an attempt to relieve my intractable trigeminal pain. I was told that I am the 10th patient to undergo this treatment at UC Irvine, and the only one being treated for trigeminal pain. In December, I had my second MVD surgery done, this time at UCI. My previous failed surgery was done at another hospital. The surgery was 100% successful, however 3 weeks after the surgery, a new pain began. This pain has grown over the months and at the time of my induced coma, was intractable 10+ pain. My neurosurgeon thinks, I believe correctly, that this pain is the result of the extensive work he had to do to correct my previous MVD and decompress 8 more compressions on more than my trigeminal nerve. The hope was that the induced coma and ketamine would give me enough relief for long enough that I could make it in at least manageable pain through the next 12 months, which is how it will be before an assessment of nerve healing or damage can be made. The hope is that my nerves will heal and in 12 months I will finally be pain free.
I went under on April 25 and came out on May 2. Over the course of the next 3 weeks, my pain went from a 0 to a steady 5/6. I am taking 5 mg of ketamine orally every 4 hours as needed. It doesn't seem to be enough to sustain the pain relief. Yesterday my pain went rapidly from my usual 5 to a 9+. I'm now awaiting a call back from my regular pain specialist as I have been discharged from the care of Dr. Liao and Dr. Capasso of UCI's Palliative Care Team.
I'm sad to say that I think this treatment didn't work for me. Oral ketamine is not helping and infusions only help while they are happening, but the pain immediately returns when the infusion stops.
I have no idea what's next for me and no one to talk to. I hoped that I could get in touch with you and at least discuss the experience that so few have had.
Please contact me.
Erika,
I have been suffering from Orofacial / head pain since an injury to V3 back in 1993. Like you I have been searching for the magic bullet, holy grail or even just a few minutes of relief.
I have tried every medication under the sun, from anti-convulsive to anti-depressives to opioids. And then in every combination possible. I have had the pleasure of several hundred nerve blocks. Nothing works, nothing sustains.
That brought me to the Ketamine coma and low-dose Ketamine as an after treatment. Unfortunately I have heard of multiple experiences where the trigeminal and associated nerves are damaged / disturbed and none of them have happy outcomes. My neuro got to the point that he would joking day he had a cure. My body would be happy, my head not so much ... then say I guess amputation is out of the question. His way of saying that he and the team are out of answers.
I have frequent visits to a well recognized Orofacial pain team, one that is truly battle tested. They are out of answers. I think that they let me come to vent, then fall into tears. Every time I read another trigeminal story I cry because I know what you are going through and I know that there are few that have an understanding - medical community, co-workers, family.
I wish you the best and hope that there is some relief if even only for a day or two.
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Erika,
I have been suffering from Orofacial / head pain since an injury to V3 back in 1993. Like you I have been searching for the magic bullet, holy grail or even just a few minutes of relief.
I have tried every medication under the sun, from anti-convulsive to anti-depressives to opioids. And then in every combination possible. I have had the pleasure of several hundred nerve blocks. Nothing works, nothing sustains.
That brought me to the Ketamine coma and low-dose Ketamine as an after treatment. Unfortunately I have heard of multiple experiences where the trigeminal and associated nerves are damaged / disturbed and none of them have happy outcomes. My neuro got to the point that he would joking day he had a cure. My body would be happy, my head not so much ... then say I guess amputation is out of the question. His way of saying that he and the team are out of answers.
I have frequent visits to a well recognized Orofacial pain team, one that is truly battle tested. They are out of answers. I think that they let me come to vent, then fall into tears. Every time I read another trigeminal story I cry because I know what you are going through and I know that there are few that have an understanding - medical community, co-workers, family.
I wish you the best and hope that there is some relief if even only for a day or two.


Hello Drdalto,

I am sorry you have ongoing pain and have gone through so much trying to treat it. I have a nerve injury in my ankle and understand how difficult that pain can be.

I have been receiving low dose ketamine infusions and find them helpful. I wouldn't give up on a treatment option without trying it. Everyone responds differently. If part of your pain is from centralization the ketamine may help address that. It is certainly worth a try. If you go ahead keep in mind there are several protocols and reactions are not always earth shattering. My own response has built over time which my doc said was typical.

Living with chronic pain takes a toll on body and spirit. Anxiety and depression are not uncommon. If you don't have a counselor who is helping you with the challenges, I highly recommend finding someone versed in helping people with pain and chronic illness. For me it made a huge difference and I found ways to cope better with my situation.

Welcome to our online community. I know you will find support here.
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Hi drdalto,

Erika only Posted this once and has not called back for several months. I do hope she returns and reads your response. I thank you for sharing your experiences.

I, myself, have constant Neuropathic Facial Pain/Paresthesia along with attacks of TN caused by an arterial knot round my Trigeminal Nerve. I take Topiramate (Topamax) to try to reduce Chronic Cluster Headaches with the side effect that my facial pain is somewhat reduced. On a 'good' day this is helped further by the effects of my monthly Lidocaine Infusions and my 4x daily doses of Oral Ketamine. The 2 latter I primarily take for control of Neurological Hypersensitivity.

While I understand why you chose to Post here, you may be interested to know we have a dedicated TN/Facial Pain Forum at:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum26.html

where Members can exchange experiences and treatments.

Wishing you a low Attack day.

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SPARKY!!

Not even sure you are still on this forum since this was posted in 2013 man, but tossing out a line to see if you are and will bite it to perhaps do some serious Q&A on your 5 Day. Ive had 2 Infusions done already and about to go thru my 3rd (HIGH DOSE) this time. along with 4 other surgeries all packed together in the month of December! Merry Christmas for me eh?

If you really are still around, and find the time, please do a search of my screen name and check out all the stuff Ive written here before ok? Here was my intro thread from Day One:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...ght=gunny+fitz

Ive found that there are tons of great folks here always willing to help (many i need to brief on my latest developments asap-if you guys are reading this?)

Please PM me if you are still here Sparky? Thanks much!

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