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RSD ME 11-13-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird36 (Post 1028958)
You all need to chill out we are all on strong meds which
make us have a short fuse and bite very easierly now i just joined here
and think you are all awesome women who are going through hell and back
we are all on different meds and that if it works then primo thats awesome
any sugestions are only trying to be helpful not take a dig at you.

We are all in this together and its up to you at the end of the day what
you do.

Please dont fight like this we fight a horrible prick of a thing which
is hard enough on its own with out the stress that your putting on
each other.

So Chill out please


Rock on Peace out Mike NZ
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Thank Mike,
Tessa, I know you are just trying to help.
You have a good heart and I know you mean well.
I just know that I have something that works for me and my drs have okay'd it so I just want to stick with it. I started this thread just to compare notes to see if maybe in the future, IF my meds stopped helping, that I would have other options to consider for dealing with my constant rsd and fibromalgia pain. But for right now I'm sticking with what works for me. I trust my drs and so far what they have prescribed for me for the past two and a half years has helped me cope better with my rsd and fibromyalgia pain and has helped me to lead a little bit of a normal life.

zookester 11-13-2013 02:33 PM

friends..
 
An acquaintance has a little something in common with you and merely enjoys your company for a short time. A fair-weather friend flatters you when the sun is shining and the birds are chirping. A true friend, on the other hand, has your very best interests at heart, nurtures another person when they are vulnerable without expecting anything in return.

So please take note of who remains in your life when times get tough, especially the people who sacrifice the resources they have in their life to help you improve yours when you need it most. Seriously, when you come out the other side of a difficult period in your life, look around you. The people still standing beside you are your true friends.

RSD ME 11-13-2013 02:47 PM

I see all of you as true friends. Even though I haven't met you, I feel that I've come to know all of you through our talks together. True friends don't always agree, have misunderstandings and sometimes fight. But I agree that they are always there besides you during the tough times. I believe you would all be there when things get tough for me, because you already have been. I hope you know I would be there too for you. Thanks for the nice explanation about friends.

AZ-Di 11-13-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zookester (Post 1028599)
I'm glad you can manage without meds and wish I were in your shoes to do so!! Regarding it being difficult to tell the difference between symptoms and side effects.. well at least for me any side effects have been primarily; headaches, nausea, fogginess, sleepy, and dry mouth and agitation from some. The pain of CRPS for me, is the feeling that my muscles are being cut or torn down my thigh, like two hot wires are being touched together from my groin to just below my knee's, random extremely painful lightening bolt pain throughout my legs and never ending burning.. my right leg has been swollen since the day I awoke on the recovery table, it is cold and blue even though it burns and even the slightest cool air to hit my leg causes the hot wire pain to get substantially worse as does the swelling. The skin is so sensitive to the touch that I can't even lightly brush a piece of lint off my thighs etc., and these pains are constant every second of everyday .. So YES, I can tell the difference between the side effects and the pain of CRPS. I am still battling the shame I feel for relying on them - if I didn't I would need a padded room!

No one medication takes the pain away and in fact many of them don't do much to dent the actual CRPS pain. Some allow me to sleep a little longer and others allow me to enjoy intimacy or do a couple of chores, do my PT etc., without being in tears doing it. Sometimes the tears still come.. but not everyday like before.

Some of the side effects go away after our bodies get used to this new medication and very slow increases also prevent the side effects from popping up again due to the increase. Some side effects like dry mouth is annoying but the benefit of the medication might make it worth it to continue using it. Obviously that is individual and thankfully with that particular side effect there are remedies. For me, I will try a new medication only if there are 2 goals of the medication, and if any side effects subside given enough time or through dose adjustments. Like with the Butrans patch.. I vomited daily for over a week and then that finally went away, now I don't have a single side effect from it and it does two things: reduces pain intensity and it allows me to do more which in turn elevates my overall mood. When I tried Lyrica I was so agitated and suicidal this was not a good one for me.. very scary.

So glad you don't require so much and I hope this continues for a very long time!

Just like the symptoms of CRPS are different for everyone our medication choices and tolerance are all also very unique and it takes a ton of patience and trial and error to get a good combo in place.

Wow, thanks for sharing all of this!! You're always such great support to others on here and you seem so strong. I'm sad for how wide spread your symptoms are. I know most of us are not seeking sympathy, we are more seeking true understanding, empathy and advice that may help. Heaven knows that's hard to come by in the medical community and from people who don't have it.

AZ-Di 11-13-2013 03:05 PM

I have tried Lyrica -very foggy and queasy stomach feeling
I take: Cymbalta
Baclofen at night (makes me tired)
Nucynta saved only for P.T and very worst pain
Topamax This is new since spread started in foot
Ketamine mix cream for topical burning

Then I think the only real difference made is by nerve blocks about every 2 weeks. I think this is lidocaine and clonidine. I've had about 17 of these now.
The most dramatic difference was after the first 2-3 when the swelling and skin condition was really improved. Since then I think it just keeps it stabilized. Who knows?

zookester 11-13-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ-Di (Post 1028984)
I have tried Lyrica -very foggy and queasy stomach feeling
I take: Cymbalta
Baclofen at night (makes me tired)
Nucynta saved only for P.T and very worst pain
Topamax This is new since spread started in foot
Ketamine mix cream for topical burning

Then I think the only real difference made is by nerve blocks about every 2 weeks. I think this is lidocaine and clonidine. I've had about 17 of these now.
The most dramatic difference was after the first 2-3 when the swelling and skin condition was really improved. Since then I think it just keeps it stabilized. Who knows?

BTW thanks for the above it, I could actually feel the iHug from afar. The reason my doctors say that mine is so widespread/severe is because after CRPS set in (but before anyone knew it) another surgery directly on the affected nerves was performed. You may have read where in Dr. Hooshmands puzzles it specifically warns against nerve sympathectomy unless the person life expectancy is short. Sadly, one of the 3 branches was surgically severed (sympathectomy) only to make things much worse. Proof that direct trauma (surgical or otherwise) to the original site of CRPS II/Causalgia is not wise. I was initially devastated but I think because my doctors have been honest from the get go about my prognosis that it has allowed me to get to the "acceptance" part of loss much faster and now I focus on proving them wrong. I actually read in my chart notes where my doctor stated "grim prognosis" I can't explain how awful just reading that was.. and it took me a long while, many tears to get a grip on my future. Knowing that this said grim prognosis only involved more pain rather than death is a hard bone to swallow. Once I did swallow it and learned quickly that much of my fate in how I reacted to symptoms and pain lied squarely on my shoulders because no one could "really" help me through medications, therapy etc., that was when things turned around for me. Now when I go to the doctor it is to add "weaponry" to my toolkit rather than expecting them to "fix" me.. they can't. We can keep trying different things but that is about it.

Yes, I think meds, therapy etc., do keep things more stabilized (some better than others) which is actually the goal - to prevent pain and symptoms from getting to an intolerable level or at least attempt to. The best thing next to honesty that my doctors have done for me is to tell me: that if I didn't think something was working to go off of it completely (this means tapering sometimes) and at one point I did just that went off of everything including the 2700mg of Gabapentin I was on at the time turned the SCS off and then I knew how much things were actually helping even though it seems minuscule at times. Then we added things back 1 by 1 until we found the right combo (for that time.. it always changes as symptoms spread or worsen) and discarded or reduced dosage until we felt we were at the right place. Even with the SCS I have to turn it off for a little while or it loses its effectiveness but, when I do that it starts working better again.. for a while and then I start over. Thinking in terms of prevention rather than instant relief also helps. Like with the creams, patches and gels they aren't meant to work with one dose or to treat acute pain from flares or environmental influences, they were meant to be used regularly as the medication builds up over time. Many of the neurontin type medications are given with dosages 3xper day but we found that due to the groggy side effects that it was better to double up on the evening dose so that the medication hit me during sleepy time and I was still able to keep a consistent dosage, so now I only take it morning and night so I have better use of daytime brain hours. lol... it doesn't really help my brain is broken beyond repair :(

It is a tough game to play.. while balancing by a thread over hot flames!! I am grateful for every day I don't cry from pain.. that is my daily goal. When I cave.. I try, hard as it is to wipe the tears, assess and start over.

I am so grateful for everyone who takes the time to post no matter what the subject matter.. we all know life isn't always rosy!!

fbodgrl 11-13-2013 04:14 PM

Renee I have found staying on a schedule with my opiate type ( pain meds) really helps with the pain waiting on the next dose. For example I can take 1-2 Lortab every 4-6 hrs. I also have Percocet 7.5 mg. I no longer wait for pain to start to take my next dose and I can definitely tell if I'm late on a dose. Not sure if that is going on with you. Hope it helps.

RSD ME 11-13-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fbodgrl (Post 1028992)
Renee I have found staying on a schedule with my opiate type ( pain meds) really helps with the pain waiting on the next dose. For example I can take 1-2 Lortab every 4-6 hrs. I also have Percocet 7.5 mg. I no longer wait for pain to start to take my next dose and I can definitely tell if I'm late on a dose. Not sure if that is going on with you. Hope it helps.

Thanks for your advice. I try to take my percocet along with my other pain meds every 6 hrs as needed. I can also tell if I'm late on a dose. That could be the reason I had such a bad flare the other day. My husband tells me the same thing. He says I should start writing down when I take my meds because my memory is affected by the neurontin and I sometimes forget when I took my last meds. Sometimes though I need to take an extra percocet and an addtional neurontin, which my dr okay'd, when I get bad rsd and fibromyalgia flares. That usually happens when the temperature changes like right now. It's so cold and that makes my pain worse. Thanks again for your advice. I agree with what your saying and appreciate your advice. Hope you have a good night.:hug:

zookester 11-13-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RSD RENEE (Post 1029020)
Here I go apologizing again for what I believe because other people don't agree with me. Well I take it back again. I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm not going to be sorry for stating my opinion. I respect all of yours, but just don't agree with them like with this Med Thread. I trust my drs and what they prescribe to me. It helps me and I have no problems with them. This is just like the Fear Thread. I keep going back to that because it seem when I state something that others don't agree with, I am told I'm wrong, so I apologize and change my mind. Well I'm done with that too. I don't want to live as a vegetable with the hope of someday be normal again. I do believe in a the do not recesitate order and will keep mine. I value life but feel that if quality of life if compromised, that it's not worth living anymore. I don't want to influence anyone, because again, it's JMO. Just like what drugs I'm taking. Just because someone else reacted to them badly, doesn't mean that will happen to me. I have reacted badly to some of the drugs some of you have taken, like cymbalta, but I don't tell you to stop taking it if it helps you. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is how I truly feel and I'm done with this forum. I don't feel that I can express my feeling swithout being critizied and have my drs criticized. I know you are all trying to help and I wish you the best, but not everyone feels the same way about things and that's okay. Or at least it should be. I'm logging off know because I'm getting too stressed with this forum. I wish you all the best and know you are all trying to help with your opinions, but I feel that it's just getting to be a little too critical here and it's really bothering me. Take Care and I wish you all the best.

Renee,
Please read over this thread carefully and show me where anyone said you "were wrong" or to "stop taking them"?

Yes, you may not react the same way.. and the SCS might have worked for you. Did you not question one of your doctors in this regard? Is that criticism or did you have valid concern about this procedure? Did the mere suggestion of this to you, by your doctor make him less credible? NO, it just means that sometimes even our own doctor's recommendations don't always work for us. Neither is wrong for choosing one way or another but the advice, suggestions etc., is given as "food for thought" to the poster and to the others that are reading this forum. The information might not always be useful at the moment or to that person but to someone at some point it may be.

You yourself posted *admin edit*about the need to share harmful effects so that others don't suffer.. so why is this such a problem when we are sharing that with you?

Bottom line:

None of us told you NOT to take your meds. What we did was offer alternatives and tips on how to take it differently so that it may help you better. None of what has been said indicated that you were doing anything wrong or not to do it.

I for one questioned your doctor advice based on things you have posted out of CARING and CONCERN for your well being, but I in NO WAY did I put you or your doctor down. You obviously questioned one of your doctor's advices when it came to the SCS; did you not? Why is that any different? There are plenty of great doctors out there that don't always recommend the right things or don't put all the pieces together.. frankly because we often don't share all the details in such a short office visit or we didn’t realize that the two things have any connection. Example: when I first began taken Neurontin and became very anxious I thought it was just because I was scared and stressed out at this whole diagnosis and pain – I didn’t realize until later that it was the meds increasing the anxiety, if it weren’t for someone on this forum mentioning it as a side effect for them, I would have never became aware and that could have put me over the edge very easily. We can see and hear your depression or thoughts of suicide etc., through your posts - does your doctor? Probably not, if they did and they haven't considered maybe the med combo is at the very least contributing then they are doing you a disservice.

Personally when I try new meds or change dosages I always alert 2 people (my husband and my best friend) because it is easier for them to see changes that I might not. This takes a great deal of trust and can also be very difficult if the need arises to address something.
Regarding life choices; you have missed the issue. DNR orders are not the same as assisted suicide or intentional suicide. I don’t remember anyone questioning whether or not to sustain life when life cannot be sustained on its own. That is an entirely different issue than what you brought up in your other thread.

It is very sad that you feel the way you do.
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freebird36 11-14-2013 03:09 AM

Hi
 
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Originally Posted by RSD RENEE (Post 1028692)
Hi Freebird, Thanks for your input. I think medical marajuana has become legalized in New Jersey and see you use it sometimes. I am curious about how this may help the pain. I think I may talk to my dr about it if it is indeed legal in the state I'm in. Thanks again for sharing your pain relievers with us. Take care.

Dont know the technical side of it but i know it works for me
it takes the edge off it helps you to relax and for me it helps with brain fog
if you know what i mean

hope this helps

Rock on Peace out Mike NZ


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