Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)


advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-27-2007, 05:52 PM #1
Sandel's Avatar
Sandel Sandel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Western Canada
Posts: 844
15 yr Member
Sandel Sandel is offline
Member
Sandel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Western Canada
Posts: 844
15 yr Member
Cool medical marijuana trial

:There is good reason to believe that marijuana can boost the efficacy of opioid pain drugs, allowing pain patients to get better relief with smaller doses of narcotic medications. University of California, San Francisco researcher Dr. Donald Abrams is looking for participants to take part in an important pilot study that could lay the groundwork for critical research in this area.

Dr. Abrams is conducting a trial of vaporized medical marijuana in conjunction with opioid medications in chronic pain patients. This is an opportunity for patients to try controlled doses of medical marijuana completely legally — under both state and federal law — for five days and for researchers to collect important data about the safety of medical marijuana.

The study will assess the clinical safety of using marijuana with opioids by monitoring the short-term side effects associated with combined therapy.

Participants in the study must:

Have ongoing chronic pain
Be 18 or older
Be on a stable twice-daily dose of sustained-release oxycodone or morphine medication for at least two weeks before enrollment
Not use marijuana for a month prior to entering the study
Not be a cigarette and/or cigar smoker, or be willing not to smoke for two weeks before starting the study
Meet some additional criteria
Participating patients will:

Spend five days and nights in a clinical research center at San Francisco General Hospital
Attend a screening appointment before the study begins
Have blood tests and other measurements done
Inhale vaporized medicinal marijuana three times a day
You can receive $520 for participating. For more information, call (415) 476-9554, ext. 315, or e-mail pcouey@php.ucsf.edu. The Community Consortium Positive Health Program of the UCSF Medical Service at San Francisco General Hospital is conducting the study.

Thank you for supporting the Marijuana Policy Project. Please pass this on to any chronic pain patients who might be interested in participating in the study.
_________________
Sandel is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 02:33 AM #2
tayla4me tayla4me is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 486
15 yr Member
tayla4me tayla4me is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 486
15 yr Member
Default

Hi Sandel,
Thanks for the article.
Many years ago my Pain Management doctor recommended some medicinal marijuana for me. I had just had my intrathecal inserted and he thought it might compliment its actions.
My problem was where do I get it
As the mother of 6 teenage children I found that it wasn't really that hard to get and consequently tried a joint.
Not being a smoker I couldn't inhale without doing a head spin and vomiting so I never found out if it worked. All I know it was the most expensive headache I have had.
My kids tried to convince me to start smoking normal cigarettes and I would be able to tolerate it but I haven't.
I do have a very close friend in my CRPS support group who does smoke---both types and feels it does help with her pain so am sure that it could indeed be a helpful tool for many-----just make sure you are a smoker first
Tayla
tayla4me is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 02:59 AM #3
Joselita's Avatar
Joselita Joselita is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Way down yonder in the Land of Cotton
Posts: 231
15 yr Member
Joselita Joselita is offline
Member
Joselita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Way down yonder in the Land of Cotton
Posts: 231
15 yr Member
Post YOu don't have to smoke it to get it in your system....and Thanks Sandel!!

Uhhhhhhh...
They are asking for folks that DO NOT smoke....or that haven't for at least 2 weeks prior to the study starting. It sounds to me like they would prefer folks that DON'T smoke. Probably so that they can see what, if any, affects this has on the lungs. That is just my guess on why....

Maybe I am giving out a little too much information here, smoking isn’t the only way that you can get the pot into your system. That is the most familiar way, but not the only way. LOL, I am sure that I am not the only one that knows about Brownies!! I am sure that there are other things that you can put it in to ingest it too...I just haven’t ever seen any.

Yes...it does change how things (Well...brownies, at least!) taste a bit. But, it isn’t all that bad. And, you still get some of the effects of the drug even after it has been cooked/baked. I don’t know that that would still be the case if you, say, used it instead of Oregano (or in addition to it) in your spaghetti sauce or something, as I don’t know if the simmering/boiling of it would change how it works. Maybe someone else has more information on it.

I will say that I DO NOT use it, as it is illegal in my State to use it in any way, shape, form or fashion...and I have never wanted to face the possibility of losing my kids had I been caught. That is to say, that I don’t use it now, or have ever on a regular basis. But I HAVE tried it (both before and since RSD), and can say that it helped to deal with my pain better than any pain med that I have taken yet. Not only that, but at the time that I DID try it after RSD, I was having stomach problems (ulcers, and one or more of the meds that I was on at the time was bothering and causing my stomach ot be upset and sick feeling a lot) and it not only helped with my high (SKY High at the time) pain levels, but ALSO settled my stomach. I have since learned that is one of the many benefits of pot, and why there are so many AIDS patients that are able to have it prescribed for them in different states. It helps to keep down other meds, when without it some folks wouldn’t be able to keep them down at all.

I hope to explore the whole Medicinal Marijuana possibility when I move back out West next Summer. I know that there are still problems with it being prescribed in some states who have made it legal themselves, because of the whole Federal issue. But, I figure that it doesn’t hurt to find out what I can.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Sandel,
Thanks for putting up the info about this clinical trial. If I didn’t live all the way across the country, I would soooooo apply for it! I was fixing to turn this thing off and try to get a little sleep when I saw this post, so I haven’t had time to try to look up anything about it. I was wondering what the whole “Vaporized” thing is? You inhale it...but WHAT are you inhaling? It doesn’t sound like you are smoking the stuff.....but I don’t know? DO you know what/how they are talking about here? What is “Vaporized Marijuana”?

ROFL..I am getting pictures of them blasting it with something, and ....well...vaporizing it....and nothing being left. You know, kinda like a Jetsons or Star Trek type of vaporizing? I AM SURE that is wrong....and I will have to look up more. But, if anyone knows....it would be cool to have a bit of an explanation about what they do to it. Maybe I am not the only one that has that type of pic going through their brain?

Anyways..Thank you Sandel for posting about this. You always have such interesting posts.

Love and
Jose
__________________
"Be Excellent to each other." ~Bill S. Preston, Esq. & Ted "Theodore" Logan

"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Albus Dumbledore
Joselita is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 04:17 AM #4
Vicc's Avatar
Vicc Vicc is offline
In Remembrance
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Kansas.
Posts: 374
15 yr Member
Vicc Vicc is offline
In Remembrance
Vicc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Kansas.
Posts: 374
15 yr Member
Default

oops...I wonder how that happened?
__________________

The great end of life is not knowldege but action. T. H. Huxley

When in doubt, ask: What would Jimmy Buffett do?


email: :
.

Last edited by Vicc; 09-28-2007 at 04:58 AM.
Vicc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 04:25 AM #5
Vicc's Avatar
Vicc Vicc is offline
In Remembrance
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Kansas.
Posts: 374
15 yr Member
Vicc Vicc is offline
In Remembrance
Vicc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Kansas.
Posts: 374
15 yr Member
Default

Oddly enough, I happened to run across this abstract in my files. The author admits no post-graduate education nor any affiliation with a college or university, but insists he was wearing a white lab coat with a rectal thermometer in his pocket throughout the experiment.

The author prefers to remain anonymous as this experiment was NOT approved by the National Institutes of Health or the Food and Drug Administration, and probably violates a few minor DEA rules.

The Effects of Tetrahydrocannabinol Delta 9 on pain sensitivity and perceptions of fun. Anonymous: unpublished, date uncertain but possibly within the past 6 hours.

This is a single-subject study, but the subject is in pain and did graciously consent to imbibe to stuff. You work with the materials at hand.

The subject was administered 1.5gm of ground pot orally (washing it down with a swig of club soda), claiming he hates brownies. Subject noticed no change in pain or cognitive function during the first hour, but then began to smile more.

At the end of the second hour, subject reported pain level had not diminished at all, but Jimi Hendrix sounded better.

By the end of the third hour, subject had interrupted narrative in order to replay “Rhiannon” (live version), 3 times, at full volume and was heard to mumble something that sounded like “If I could still get elections, she’s be in real trouble’. (He may have gotten Stevie and Hillary a little mixed up here)

After four hours, this researcher had heard “You don’t have to call me Darlin’” (David Allen Coe), so many times that he agreed it probably would sound better after a joint. The text becomes a bit unintelligible at this point, so I’ll just skip to the conclusion:

Subject reports absolutely no pain relief whatsoever from a single, oral dose, but says “So what? It was fun; and you haven’t heard “Freebird” until you’ve heard it while wearing a white lab coat”.

I should point out that this was not the first time this experiment was performed, the actual number is closer to 357; and this is only the oral dosage study. Inhalation experiments were much more common when the researcher was younger and probably numbered in excess of 2,000 (althought pain relief was not part of these studies).
__________________

The great end of life is not knowldege but action. T. H. Huxley

When in doubt, ask: What would Jimmy Buffett do?


email: :
.

Last edited by Vicc; 09-28-2007 at 05:02 AM.
Vicc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 08:49 AM #6
sue k sue k is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Western MA
Posts: 272
15 yr Member
sue k sue k is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Western MA
Posts: 272
15 yr Member
Heart

My Doc put me on the "pot" pills first to help me gain weight. I lost so much wieght on the methadone he thought it would give me the munchies. It made me so sick so I stopped taking them. 2 years later another doc put me on to help with the pain. Once again I got sick. I couldn't breath. It was 8 below zero and I had my head sticking out the window trying to breath. Sometimes I wish I could just smoke a joint. Its illegal here in MA and I would have no touble getting it. I do know people that smoke it for medical reasons and they say it does help with pain. But I'd rather breath and pass the drug test at the pain clinic.

Sue K.
sue k is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2007, 09:44 AM #7
dreambeliever128's Avatar
dreambeliever128 dreambeliever128 is offline
Magnate
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,088
15 yr Member
dreambeliever128 dreambeliever128 is offline
Magnate
dreambeliever128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,088
15 yr Member
Default Hi Everyone,

Like Jose said, I wonder how they vaporize it. Sounds interesting.

I was given a paper to grow marijuana and smoke it 2 years ago by my Neurologist for MS.

I had never tried it before in my life. Daddy was probably turning over in his grave because he would have killed us kids if he just caught us smoking a cigarette.

I laughed when Tayla mentioned getting a hold of it. When Bill told everyone I could smoke some, they came out of the woodwork to give me some.

The paper said I could raise 3 plants but owning our own place just kept me from doing anything to lose it.

I did try it and like Vicc said in that info he put up, all I knew is that I was floating on air. My thought was, what good is not having the pain if you don't know what the heck you are doing. I tried it several times and it did nothing but as I said, make me feel like I was floating. I wonder if that is the ideal, if you are high then you aren't going to feel the pain. LOL

About a year ago some guy was caught, I think here in Co., raising over 300 plants. He claimed for medical purposes and they did nothing with him when it went to court. He probably didn't own any land for them to take and too sick to take to jail.

Co. had passed the law back in 04 that people could use marijuana for medical purposes and someone way higher up said no. If the law went into effect Co. wouldn't get any federal funding. I think eventually though it will pass once that person gets out of office.

There are a few Drs. here in Co. that can give out the paperwork to grow the plants and use them but it is only on the state level. If a person gets caught with it on the federal level they could lose everything.

I think though if it would help a person then they should be able to use it. I just wouldn't be one of those people to use it.

Ada
dreambeliever128 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dosing Medical Marijuana: Rational Guidelines on Trial in Washington State BobbyB ALS News & Research 1 09-14-2007 03:19 PM
For Ill, Medical Marijuana Ought To Be Obtainable BobbyB ALS News & Research 0 08-27-2007 03:24 PM
Medical Marijuana Jolene520 Peripheral Neuropathy 15 07-28-2007 05:00 PM
For ill, medical marijuana ought to be obtainable BobbyB ALS News & Research 0 06-21-2007 07:32 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:35 AM.

Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.7.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.