I know that sustained chronic pain, like that of RSD, can damage the front part of the brain that governs emotions and cognition.

Does anyone experience emotional storms in which

• suddenly emotions storm out of control?
• And logical decision-making is affected?
• The ability to talk or communicate?

I think I read somewhere that RSD can cause a sort of dementia (frmichael?)

i need some info - and support - and treatment ideas!

Hi Mollymcn,

I'm sorry you have RSD too. I have full body, 12 years now. Finally have a great Dr. that has explained a lot to me. He is a Neurologist, Psychiatrist, and Pharmacologist. I see him monthly for pain management.

Yes, RSD affects parts of the brain. One part is the Limbic System that controls emotions, (depression) decision making process. I know many of us have slowness of speech,grasping for words, short term memory loss. I know with the continuous pain, wears on a person. I feel shortness of patience and sometimes crying hard. It took me a very long time to accept the losses this disorder brings. I missed so much my life before RSD. Now I concentrate on being grateful for the things I can do. The pain is really bad, especially in a flare. I've had my first round of lesions this month-not fun.

My plan now is tryng hyberbaric treatments and nerve blocks. Ketamine infusion. Did you read about the lady that went to Florida for blocks? I had already read about that Dr. and was thinking of going. Insurance is a big issue for me.

I hope this helps you. I know just knowing there are medical reasons for what is going on with us helps me. understanding the lapses in memory, and searching for words, not remembering recent conversations etc. If I don't write it down, it's gone. I hope the best for you. Let us know how you are please. How long have you had RSD and when did you get diagnosed. It was four years for me to get diagnosed. It came the day following breast biopsy. Got swollen arm and frozen shoulder. Started physical therapy, had 100 painful treatments to get my range of motion back. Then it went to other shoulder and more therapy, then went to hand, misdiagnosed all this time. Then went to orthopedic hand specialist and he recognized it in a minute, followed up by tests to confirm. Didn't get my hand back to full use, it's like a claw. Anyway I work hard at keeping moving, feet etc. Water therapy and swimming is really good. We have a pool-live in the southwest.

Let us know how you are. It really helps to have support here with so many caring fellow rsders. We understand what it's like and that means so much, when even loved ones who love us can't quite understand what we go thru. Take care, Loretta Jewell

Iv'e had TOS, CRPS, RSD x 15 years and I have noticed that after my last surgery I have problems with emotions, short term memory and word retrieval...it's so frustrating.
This definately is part of this monster, it's so hard, some days are better then others

Dear Molly -

I think this is may be the post you have in mind, from February 1, 2007, in which case your memory may be better than it seems:

Dear IHH -

Hi there. I am sorry to hear of your report of memory/concentration problems. I understand how frustrating that can be. Over the past few years, on this board and its predecessor, I've posted versions of this information a few times, but it doesn't hurt to repeat it again, hopefully in a streamlined version.

First of all, you have to be sure that the issue doesn't lie with the medications you're on. I know this to be an issue with two of the meds that I’m currently taking, Baclofen and Neurontin. However, because I am no longer working, it's an irritation I am willing to put up with in the name of pain relief.

That said, there is however, a substantial body of evidence that show's the chronic pain alone can lead to the loss of gray matter in the brain. Please see, "Chronic Back Pain Is Associated with Decreased Prefrontal and Thalamic Gray Matter Density," A. Vania Apkarian, et al, The Journal of Neuroscience, November 17, 2004 • 24(46):10410 –10415. The abstract of the article is as follows:

The role of the brain in chronic pain conditions remains speculative. We compared brain morphology of 26 chronic back pain (CBP) patients to matched control subjects, using magnetic resonance imaging brain scan data and automated analysis techniques. CBP patients were divided into neuropathic, exhibiting pain because of sciatic nerve damage, and non-neuropathic groups. Pain-related characteristics were correlated to morphometric measures. Neocortical gray matter volume was compared after skull normalization. Patients with CBP showed 5–11% less neocortical gray matter volume than control subjects. The magnitude of this decrease is equivalent to the gray matter volume lost in 10 –20 years of normal aging. The decreased volume was related to pain duration, indicating a 1.3 cm3 loss of gray matter for every year of chronic pain. Regional gray matter density in 17 CBP patients was compared with matched controls using voxel-based morphometry and nonparametric statistics. Gray matter density was reduced in bilateral dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and right thalamus and was strongly related to pain characteristics in a pattern distinct for neuropathic and non-neuropathic CBP. Our results imply that CBP is accompanied by brain atrophy and suggest that the pathophysiology of chronic pain includes thalamocortical processes.

For a free, full text copy of the article, click here: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/24/46/10410

The tie-in piece to RSD/CRPS is “Decreased Levels of N-Acetylaspartate in Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex in a Case of Intractable Severe Sympathetically Mediated Chronic Pain (Complex Regional Pain Syndrome, Type I),” Igor D. Grachev, et al, Brain and Cognition, Vol. 49, Issue 1, June 2002, Pages 102-113. And the abstract of the article is as follows:

In our previous in vivo proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy (H MRS) study we found reduced levels of N-acetylaspartate in dorsolateral prefrontal cortex of chronic back pain patients. This study tests whether these chemical abnormalities can be detected in other pain states. Using H MRS, we measured levels for N-acetylaspartate and other identifiable chemicals relative to creatine in four bilateral brain regions, including dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, orbitofrontal cortex, cingulate, and thalamus, in a case of intractable severe sympathetically mediated chronic pain [complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) type I]. The subject's chemical variations in the brain were compared to the same regional chemicals in 10 normal subjects (age- and sex-matched). Univariate statistics showed reduced levels of N-acetylaspartate in bilateral dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and increased levels of myo-inositol in left orbitofrontal cortex of the patient with intractable severe CRPS type I. These data support our original hypothesis that depletion of N-acetylaspartate in dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is a chemical marker of chronic pain, indicating for neuronal degeneration. Unpredicted changes of orbitofrontal myo-inositol may be related to the specific mood/affective state in an extreme pain perception. This is the first report, which identifies chemical markers in the prefrontal cortex for objective measurement and monitoring of CRPS type I. This information might lead to valuable insights into diagnosis and future effective interventions of CRPS type I (e.g., prefrontal brain stimulation).

A copy of the Grachev article is attached to this posting.

For this reason, my doctors put me on Namenda (mementine), a so-called NMDA receptor antagonist – like ketamine – that was approved by the FDA roughly three years ago for the treatment of mild to moderate cases of Alzheimer's disease. I now take 30 mg. a day, along with all of my other medications. While it isn't perfect, I can tell the difference in terms of my conversational abilities and the like, on the days in which I miss taking the meds in my haste to get out of the door in the morning, where I still drive kids to school 5 days a week. Importantly, I am not personally aware of any negative side-effects from the Namenda.

I hope this is helpful to you, and at the same time is not too overwhelming. You may wish to discuss these articles with your physician. I remember that Apkarian piece generated a sensational amount of attention when it came out a couple of years ago.

Good luck.

Mike

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...5922#post65922

Please link to the page for the Grachev article I attached to the 2007 posting. A more recent article by Apkarian was the subject of a thread I put up a few weeks ago entitled "Brain is rewired in patients with chronic pain syndrome." http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread62428.html

I hope this is useful.

Mike