White People

lor · 08-07-2007, 10:21 AM

Lara, I was reading too & before Christine thanked you, I too thought your responces were good ones.

Doody · 08-07-2007, 11:07 AM

Well I have no clue what you would call it other than the 'white' people!

From the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and they call them 'white' people.

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Indian name Tatanka Iyotake born c. 1831, near Grand River, Dakota Territory [now in South Dakota], U.S.
died Dec. 15, 1890, on the Grand River in South Dakota

Photograph:Sitting Bull.
Sitting Bull.
Corbis
Teton Dakota Indian chief under whom the Sioux tribes united in their struggle for survival on the North American Great Plains. He is remembered for his lifelong distrust of white men and his stubborn determination to resist their domination.

Sitting Bull was born into the Hunkpapa division of the Teton Sioux. He joined his first war party at age 14 and soon gained a reputation for fearlessness in battle. He became a leader of the powerful Strong Heart warrior society and, later, was a participant in the Silent Eaters, a select group concerned with tribal welfare. As a tribal leader Sitting Bull helped extend the Sioux hunting grounds westward into what had been the territory of the Shoshone, Crow, Assiniboin, and other Indian tribes. His first skirmish with white soldiers occurred in June 1863 during the U.S. Army's retaliation against the Santee Sioux after the “Minnesota Massacre,” in which the Teton Sioux had no part. For the next five years he was in frequent hostile contact with the army, which was invading the Sioux hunting grounds and bringing ruin to the Indian economy. In 1866 he became principal chief of the northern hunting Sioux, with Crazy Horse, leader of the Oglala Sioux, as his vice-chief. Respected for his courage and wisdom, Sitting Bull was made principal chief of the entire Sioux nation about 1867.

In 1868 the Sioux accepted peace with the U.S. government on the basis of the Second Treaty of Fort Laramie, which guaranteed the Sioux a reservation in what is now southwestern South Dakota. But when gold was discovered in the Black Hills in the mid-1870s, a rush of white prospectors invaded lands guaranteed to the Indians by the treaty. Late in 1875 those Sioux who had been resisting the whites' incursions were ordered to return to their reservations by Jan. 31, 1876, or be considered hostile to the United States. Even had Sitting Bull been willing to comply, he could not possibly have moved his village 240 miles (390 km) in the bitter cold by the specified time.

In March General George Crook took the field against the hostiles, and Sitting Bull responded by summoning the Sioux, Cheyenne, and certain Arapaho to his camp in Montana Territory. There on June 17 Crook's troops were forced to retreat in the Battle of the Rosebud. The Indian chiefs then moved their encampment into the valley of the Little Bighorn River. At this point Sitting Bull performed the Sun Dance, and when he emerged from a trance induced by self-torture, he reported that he had seen soldiers falling into his camp like grasshoppers from the sky. His prophecy was fulfilled on June 25, when Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer rode into the valley and he and all the men under his immediate command were annihilated in the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

Strong public reaction among whites to the Battle of the Little Bighorn resulted in stepped-up military action. The Sioux emerged the victors in their battles with U.S. troops, but though they might win battle after battle, they could never win the war. They depended on the buffalo for their livelihood, and the buffalo, under the steady encroachment of whites, were rapidly becoming extinct. Hunger led more and more Sioux to surrender, and in May 1877 Sitting Bull led his remaining followers across the border into Canada. But the Canadian government could not acknowledge responsibility for feeding a people whose reservation was south of the border, and after four years, during which his following dwindled steadily, famine forced Sitting Bull to surrender. After 1883 he lived at the Standing Rock Agency, where he vainly opposed the sale of tribal lands. In 1885, partly to get rid of him, the Indian agent allowed him to join Buffalo Bill's Wild West show, in which he gained international fame.

The year 1889 saw the spread of the Ghost Dance religious movement, which prophesied the advent of an Indian messiah who would sweep away the whites and restore the Indians' former traditions. The Ghost Dance movement augmented the unrest already stirred among the Sioux by hunger and disease. As a precaution, Indian police and soldiers were sent to arrest the chief. Seized on Grand River, Dec. 15, 1890, Sitting Bull was killed while his warriors were trying to rescue him. He was buried at Fort Yates, but his remains were moved in 1953 to Mobridge, S.D., where a granite shaft marks his resting place.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...5/Sitting-Bull

ConsiderThis · 08-07-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KathyM

I have a question for Caucasian people who get offended by the term "white."

I have a Lakota friend who is involved in writing up historical markers. She's stuck on the following sentence, and they won't allow her to leave it as is:

"Sitting Bull fought the white people."

She's told it's too offensive. How else are you supposed to describe a battle scene and participants? I don't think "Gold Diggers" or "Terrorists" would go over very well.

They weren't Americans or settlers because it wasn't the USA at the time.

No one can give her any answers. Got any suggestions?

Thanks.

Here in Santa Fe we're refered to as Anglos, because of our Anglo Saxon background.

Everyone seems to accept that term.

For myself, I like Polish.

though far back I had a leaving England relative who didn't make it to the U.S. because he or his wife, I forget, got sick and they had to stay in Leiden.

ConsiderThis · 08-07-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by junk4myemail

Ok, that is lame

But: Sitting Bull fought the fair skinned people.

Good luck to your friend.

LOL

That is really funny on several levels...

as in "unfair" deeper within.

ConsiderThis · 08-07-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by junk4myemail

I was under the impression that the first people in Australia were criminals sent there from Europe. Were some not? Forgive ignorance in advance

just what I was taught in school - and I homeschool my son and would love to give him correct teachings should I be misinformed. thx

There was a great pbs show (I think it was pbs) which traced this woman's heritage, and her criminal ancestress was a girl of 13 or 14, I forget exactly, but really young, who stole another girls' dress. She got sentenced to something like life in prison, but then was sent to Australia where she founded many neat things... not "tidy"... but I forget what.

So the criminal thing is a matter of view point.

Thelma · 08-07-2007, 02:39 PM

In the days before the onslaught of Europeans there was no name for them.

There were only the people.

When the Europeans came they called themselves white to denote they thought their skin tone had superiority.

All of the so called writings were done by these people and so who is to believe anything they wrote. Hence the silly stories they call legends.

Lara · 08-07-2007, 04:21 PM

I thought we called it History?
You mean to tell me I devoted some years of my life to studying Ancient Silly Legends and Modern Silly Legends? I should have stuck with Mythology instead? darn!

Sheesh, here I was thinking how much I learned and how interesting it was.

I like to think that we're all "people".

I find that categorising people into different compartments only serves to made the division worse. I don't walk down the street and think to myself that person is from Lebanon, or that person is from Greece or that person is wearing a Birka therefore they must be this or that. If I walk down the street and drop into a bakery and buy a delicious treat I may think how wonderful their heritage must be and give thanks to that person for knowing how to make such a wonderful thing, but I don't go around sorting people into different colours or nationalities or faiths etc..

ConsiderThis · 08-07-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lara

I thought we called it History?
You mean to tell me I devoted some years of my life to studying Ancient Silly Legends and Modern Silly Legends? I should have stuck with Mythology instead? darn!

Sheesh, here I was thinking how much I learned and how interesting it was.

I like to think that we're all "people".

I find that categorising people into different compartments only serves to made the division worse. I don't walk down the street and think to myself that person is from Lebanon, or that person is from Greece or that person is wearing a Birka therefore they must be this or that. If I walk down the street and drop into a bakery and buy a delicious treat I may think how wonderful their heritage must be and give thanks to that person for knowing how to make such a wonderful thing, but I don't go around sorting people into different colours or nationalities or faiths etc..

You cracked me up soooo bad with the beginning of your post!!!!

Seriously, though... I find myself saying...
Ahhhh, but was the bakery treat a French or Belgian pastry????

I think about heritage a lot.

When I see a person with a Greek name on telly, I always try to see if I can see Greek coin type lines in their face... similarly Italians... do they look like the Roman coins...

and people with pudgy faces... I always wonder if there's some Polish in them, like there is in me...

on and on...

I think the reason the word "white" was found to be unacceptable, was that it was too broad... people might be included who weren't actually a part of it.

Though why we then think it is all right to talk about Black people, is a contradiction... isn't it?

ConsiderThis · 08-07-2007, 04:33 PM

Doody, I just found your reply (no idea how I missed it for so long) and it's great!!!!!

So the word should be all right to use.

Great post, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curious · 08-07-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lara

I thought we called it History?
You mean to tell me I devoted some years of my life to studying Ancient Silly Legends and Modern Silly Legends? I should have stuck with Mythology instead? darn!

Sheesh, here I was thinking how much I learned and how interesting it was.

I like to think that we're all "people".

I find that categorising people into different compartments only serves to made the division worse. I don't walk down the street and think to myself that person is from Lebanon, or that person is from Greece or that person is wearing a Birka therefore they must be this or that. If I walk down the street and drop into a bakery and buy a delicious treat I may think how wonderful their heritage must be and give thanks to that person for knowing how to make such a wonderful thing, but I don't go around sorting people into different colours or nationalities or faiths etc..

lara treats monkeys the same too.

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