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Old 07-07-2008, 03:13 PM #11
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Coberst, I'm not to sure what to think about your critical
thinking, and am wondering if your really throwing out these
ideals as a means to stimulate our thinking processes, or
trying to make everyone think your some kinda smart person.

choose to distract myself from the painful world, and have
some fun in a world where I can walk and run, and do things
that I cannot do in the real world.
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You sound like a pretty smart, real person to me. I'm in a chair, can't drive, am pretty isolated.

Sometimes this computer offers me my only adult contact until DH comes home all tired. I can only use one hand, can't hold a book or read turning pages like that. For a price Amazon sold me a Kindle, an electronic reading device I can work with one hand. I can't imagine having MS without the technolgy devices I use. I love it. Like cold water when you're thirsty, reading again is like that to me. No, they're not like video games, I believe gambling, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc, can all be addictive, but often when a person's addiction is gone, another fills the hole, There's a hole to be filled. Like getting MS, I believe some just have a pre-disposition towards some addictions As much as we'd like it, some things are outside our control.



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What gets me about "virtual" activities and communities is that the negative tends to attract more attention than does the positive. (Wonder why that is?)

Whatever the stimulus, it's what an individual makes of it.

SecondLifre (SL) has been cited, more than one occasion, of an example of what's wrong with this or that. Bah hum-bug! It didn't create the world's ills and it also won't cure them.

However, as with most things cyber, including NT, it has its place; how it's seen depends on perspective, and that's still subjective.

Just as NT has a viable place in many people's lives, so, too, does SL (and similar).

Please see the following:

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=47101

I realize that people may not have the desire or the time to read through all the links cited (within the post above). So, this one might help encapsulate:

http://www.e-patients.net/archives/2...orial_epa.html

Six days prior to her death, Karen gave her last talk in SL - to help others, once again. (And, it's a talk that DocJohn has said I may post within NT's Stroke forum; I've been a bit busy finding a new job yet will be posting it.)

My point? For all the negatives, there are also positives. Karen's legacy isn't that she spent too much time in the virtual world; it's that she used it as a bridge to help people in the Real World.
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This looks familiar (and nearly verbatim):

http://forums.keeptouch.net/showthread.php?t=105445
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=15081



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I would say the difference between a virtual world and the real world is that the real world is grounded in literal experience whereas the virtual world is not grounded.

SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) informs me that we have literal experiences that become sources for abstract ideas or part of other literal experiences.

The conceptual structure of a literal experience is mapped into another mental space to become part of another concept. For example: the experience of warmth resulting from being held by the mother is a literal experience that can be later mapped onto a subjective concept of affection. This means that the subjective concept then contains some or all of the conceptual structure of the literal experience of warmth. That is why almost everyone senses a feeling of warmth when feeling affection for someone.

Humans are artifact adoring artisans

Humans are meme (idea) adoring creators.

Humans create symbols (abstract ideas) upon which they place value sufficient for killing and dying.

Americans create a flag (an artifact of cloth) which symbolizes the value they place in a nation (artifact, idea, meme) for which they will really kill and die (nothing artificial here).

Humans require meaningful symbols upon which to give life sufficient purpose for living, dying, and killing.

Because humans can create their own meaningful artifacts why does our species place meaning into such dangerous artifacts (memes, ideologies) as religion, nation, capitalism, communism, etc?

The freedom we have to create that which is meaningful to us is poorly used, why?

Why do we waste such a precious freedom on such dangerous toys?

We do so because we lack the courage (self-reliance) to go against the flow.

Our adaptation to society as infants and children has left us without the courage and confidence required to go against the flow of society. We have the freedom but not the energy and courage to overcome the blind habit of conformity.

We are not determined atoms; we do have the potential to do much better. How can we overcome what we have become and thus become something better?

We can overcome our present predicament by creating a new reality, a new set of meaningful symbols that we choose to give value.

Imagination is the instrument by which we can overcome.
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It depends on who your heroes are - freud, socrates, micky mouse, a robot, or your parents - what you will conclude is right or wrong. I would rather have someone who raised me with human love and contact than AI be my hero. Survival and fear of the unknown probably leads us to run in packs.

Every choice you make is determined by some happening in your life and probably cannot be separated from those past events - although I try to think outside the box sometimes - who's to say what that is. This could drive you nuts but who's to say what that is either. aack! Is this a test? Are robots now controlling my mind? Oh no.

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Wow Bobbi you found 2 word for word posts by this same cobert!

Cobert why the cut and paste of the very same thing? This causes me to rethink what I first felt you were trying to do. Now I believe you might be parroting someone else.

I mean most people will put down what is currently on their mind, but you seem to be blanketing the net with the same err shtuff. Does this make you feel intelligent? Do you have some complexe that is causing you to question your own humanity? Are these really your own thoughts and feelings or are you copying them from somewhere?

Melody I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. I had no idea what you have gone through with games and gaming. Just remember that even though you may not think so, he is listening to you, and will be looking at your actions of love more than the words you speak

Thank you kicker

Yes I guess you can call me a smart person. This smartness really caused me a lot of trouble in the first years of school. I would read books in an hour that took most people several days to read, and this caused me to be made fun of in school. My brothers and sisters were always accusing me of making them feel stupid on purpose, which wasnt the case at all. Thank god now that we are all adults they have realized I wasnt doing it on purpose.

At 12 I was invited to be a mensa member but my father wouldnt have it, and im still not sure if that was a good thing or not. This smartness even caused me some problems with the SSA when they were determining my disability. Back in 2000 when I couldnt work anymore the welfare office put me in a welfare to work program and part of the deal was a IQ test so they could determine if you need any remedial training to get back into the workforce. Well I scored higher than anyone in the state on that test causiing the social workers to call me in and question me on why im there. They all took that test too, and I scored quite a bit higher than all of them.

I thought it was pretty funny at the time, the look on their faces was priceless LOL. But when it came time to determine disability that test came into play as to what work I could do. It was a close call to say the least LOL. That is when good medical records saved the day!!!

Although I would rather work any day of the week then be disabled.
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