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10-03-2011, 03:10 AM | #1 | |||
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If you change your onset date to get a favorable decision from the ALJ then you lose the right to appeal it. Like Janke has stated, the ALJ is acting like a prosecuter with him being the judge, trial, and jury. In my opinion, like I have stated earlier, the ALJ just wants to save money and, like Janke stated, wants to make sure his percentages are low for overturns.
Unfortunately right now with sooo many scammers and budget cuts many people involved with ssi or ssdi decisions are afraid to be sacked for giving away the farm or denying the rightful so they compromise, in my opinion. |
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10-03-2011, 04:49 AM | #2 | ||
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This link, describes a similar situation, and the attorney states his client received a PF decision, so she would still be able to appeal if she felt like risking her approval. http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/11/12...ynical-judges/ This link says that the ALJ can write it as a FF decision if the claimant agrees to changing the onset date. http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/page4-29.html So Cherry, how are you familiar with this? I'm missing the difference between one ALJ writing it as FF and another as PF. |
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10-05-2011, 04:07 AM | #3 | |||
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If you refuse to change your onset date in this example and you receive a PF decision then it can be appeal but at the risk of losing everything, like the website says. However, if the judge states that he'll give you an otr decision in your favor if you change the onset date then you can't go back and say I made a mistake. Is that clearer? The reason the judges will ask you to change it instead of doing a PF decision is because once you bite that apple it is over and they won't have to worry about it biting them in the derriere later on. It is pretty much like a plea bargain. This way they get to have a very high success rate and save taxpayers some money while you get your benefits almost immediately and a piece of mind. By the way, the ALJ wanted me to give up 2yrs of backpay and medicare eligibility. I told my lawyer I rather stab myself in the eye with a rusty nail. I got a FF. |
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10-05-2011, 04:27 PM | #4 | ||
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Cherry, I provided examples where it appears different ALJs are writing their decisions as FF or PF for similar circumstances.
So, no, your post really doesn't clear things up, although I am clear what your opinion is, just as I was with your previous post. If what you're expressing is more than just your personal experience, and if there are rules, regulations, or rulings above the ALJ level that you are familiar with, then linkage would be greatly appreciated. Last edited by LIT LOVE; 10-05-2011 at 04:29 PM. Reason: Clarification |
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10-06-2011, 11:46 PM | #5 | |||
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Sure, you could try to overturn it but you will sound crazy for saying you got what you wanted. Remember the saying, "Be careful for what you wish for, because you just might get it." |
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10-08-2011, 03:07 AM | #6 | ||
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If you're going to state something as if it is a legal fact, then it is not unreasonable for someone to ask if you have an actual legal reference to back it up. If you're simply voicing your opinion or relaying a personal legal experience, then qualify your responses so that you don't accidently give out erroneous legal advice. The link I provided for ssdanswers.com shows an example of an ALJ hearing where the attorney used the amended onset date as a strategy for an easier approval since the standard is lower when an applicant turns 50 (or 55). The ALJ later (neither the OP or my examples were OTR decisions) sent a PF decision. In that instance, the applicant preserved her legal right to appeal the ALJ decision. Whether it made "sense" in her case to exercise that right is not the point. You stated, "If you change your onset date to get a favorable decision from the ALJ then you lose your right to appeal it." It appears that it is at the discretion of the ALJ how they write the decision. So an accurate statement would be, "If you change your onset date to get a favorable decision from the ALJ then you MIGHT lose your right to appeal it." You then stated, "Like Janke has stated, the ALJ is acting like a prosecuter with him being the judge, trial, and jury." Actually what Jank said was, "This is not like a plea bargain on a criminal case." "The ALJ is the arbiter. He/she only has to agree with himself or herself." Comparing the process to a civil matter and calling it a "settlement" doesn't improve the analogy. Most will not play chicken with an ALJ over ongoing benefits to secure backpay, like you did. And, most people will probably not appeal PF decisions with amended onset dates. BUT, our personal opinions don't really matter. The applicant's legal rights, including their right to appeal, are what matters. If anyone can identify any nuances that make an amended onset date binding, that would be very helpful information. Last edited by LIT LOVE; 10-08-2011 at 07:15 AM. |
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10-08-2011, 07:41 AM | #7 | ||
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