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I believe you need to talk to Social Security, go to your local office, and maybe your lawyer. You seem to have the programs and their rules confused.

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Originally Posted by wkikta (Post 551370)

I believe you need to talk to Social Security, go to your local office, and maybe your lawyer. You seem to have the programs and their rules confused.

I am confused because they made me confused. I already talked to 5 people there. I am done talking to them. I get diff answers.

Okay I read through all your replies. I'm not sure I'll get it straightened out
for you. But I'm going to give some a try. But not the way you have written.
IN words that I'm hoping will make sense to you. So if they don't just say so.

I'll try one thing till we get straight then a new.

First for paying rent or utilities. Anything, your childs percentage.

What it means is this. Say there are 3 people in your family that
you split the amount you pay for. So your rent or mortgage payment
say is 300 dollars a month. You are allowed to declare that each
person pays a equal $100 dollars.

1. So your son can pay the $100 dollars to the person that paid the bills
while you had no money, for each month they paid. He can't pay anyoe
elses rent. (In ths way, I'll give you another way in a minute)

Say you take your son to a doctor 4 times a month in a town that is a round
trip of 100 miles away. You can take the 100 X 4 = 400 X .045 (whatever
the mileage amount is) and then when you get this amount. If you would
like to pay somemore of your rent, you can use this money. Because it
technically is now your money to do with what you want.

a. You would just record it as, amount that I spent driving in say
June to speech therapy. Example.

I personally would figure out a whole month's travel, but you should do say
only medical, and therapies. Any thing that a parent wouldn't normally
have. No well visits either.

This will help lower what you owe the other person. But you wont be using
the backpay the wrong way. BEcause its now your money to do with what you want.

Next you are allowed to divide all utilities the same way. people in family
X amount = your amount to be reimbursed.

b. Once again after recording that you have been repaid this. You can
repay any bills you need to.

Donna

Groceries, household items, anything else that is legitimate.

1. You can only take out what you use for him. So you would divide
by number in your family again.

2. Medicines that aren't covered by insurance. You can repay yourself
at least a percentage of this. With a big back pay, the whole amount,
if you need to spend down.

a. But usually I would just do say 50%.

b. Gas to doctors appts. Same thing.

Hoping this makes sense.

You said something about personal money.

My son was older, but I would give him a allowance from his money, so he
could spend it how he wanted. I just had to record it.

If he needed that money in expenses, he just had to do with less some weeks.

Donna

Thanks for the post. Does this apply for SSI and SSDI or just SSI? Thanks again!

I would assume it would apply for both. I'm honestly not positive.

But the things that I talked about would occur either way. And if you have
to explain like in SSI, how you spent the money. You can justify it the
same way.

This is the main thing.

Donna

In addition to being told we could use the money to go towards a % of household expenses and the child's expenses of doctors, medicine, clothing, etc., we were told the money could be used for any activities the child participates in - swim classes, etc.

Karousel

THis would make sense too me. Thanks for posting

Donna

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Originally Posted by xmelax36 (Post 548882)

Okay this is a long and confusing one, but I hope someone can help me here. First of all I know the back pay I get for SSI and SSD, I can do what I want with that it is mine (i.e. bills, paying people back, and current bills, clothing and entertainment - what ever I want to do with it), but my question is about the back pay getting for my son because he is my dependent. I applied for him as my dependent, so now the back pay I got for him had to go into a special bank account according to bank laws and SSA laws. Well I spent a bunch of money on him the other day and that is fine it was for clothes, shelter, and entertainment. I called SSA and I don't understand them and they didn't really answer my questions.

1.) if the atty didn't get his fees out of it (he did my ssd), then do I take the money out myself or do I have to come up with the money from another source? He said he would get a portion of it.

2.) I know about taxes, I am holding a bit back for taxes.

3.) Do you have to write checks for everything or use a debit card for it, or can we use cash? Can't I withdraw cash so we can use cash for purchases and bills? I mean we have receipts. I am not understanding it. The bank I went to, the lady was all in my business about how to spend the money and what I would be taking it out for, etc... Like she would not let me take any out when we need it unless she knows what it is for. Plus she said I should use checks etc...

4.) My child is not disabled (I mean I never applied for disability for him even though he has a tic disorder), but I did not let them know that he has a disability. Anyway, but he does have dr. appts out of town and there are no buses that run where we live for school, so I have to take him and pick up, so can't I use some of the money for transportation - i.e. cheapo car?

5.) Since it is back payment, then all the money I paid for him through out all that time, can't I get get money paid back from it? or pay family back for money they paid out for him for me bc I didn't have the money.

6.) I read that if you have resources by the end of 6 months more than $2000 for all assets including money in bank then you will become ineligible for SSI/SSD. So what the heck? If we've paid up on everything then how are we to use the money? Do we go out and blow it on stuff (the back pay that is). I do not get SSI future only backpay, he gets SSI backpay and future mon. payments. his Monthly payments will be for rent (i.e. shelter) & clothing/ appts. So what do we do there? They tell you to save anything left over, but if it is more than $2000 then we will get his ssi taken away.

Sorry for all the questions, I actually had more but I will post later. Hope someone can shed light on this. I know they will audit me/ him and the money we spent from back pay, (I read that somewhere in booklet I think) and they will want reciepts for everything, won't they? It is a pain in the butt! I am ready to have a nervous break down!

I signed up for SSD in november 2008 and my lawyer gave my papers telling me that his pay is limitid to $5300.00 plus expenses and that fee covers both SSD and SSI, as far as my son's SSI he gets that off me if I am qualified for him to get it, my lawyer has nothing to do with my son's SSI and so he gets nothing because he dosn't have to do anything for us to get the SSI on my son.
as far as spending the back pay I couldn't tell you, as that same question is what led me to this forum, I hope we can both get the correct answers at the right times. I will ask my lawyer when/if the time comes, sents I'm still waiting to here the out-come of my SSD case.

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Originally Posted by jrpbox293 (Post 685513)

You are still confusing programs.

Your son is not disabled. Therefore he does not get SSI. He gets Social Security Disability auxilliary benefits on your record. And your lawyer certainly did do something that help your son qualify for benefits - your lawyer helped you get approved. If you were not approved, there would be zero for your son. But, if the fee agreement limited the total fee to $5300, then there is nothing more to collect. Read what you signed.

Read this link.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10076.html
There are general guidelines. If you want to read SSA's internal policies, try reading all of this link:
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.n...category=02006

I would not rely on anonymous instructions from internet strangers.

And remember, that your son does not get SSI. Ignore all the sections about SSI.