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Old 02-23-2007, 10:47 AM #1
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Default Hello! New here and have a question......How do I tie

Hello everyone out there. Decided to try out this forum - stumbled upon it when looking for some information regarding the degenerative condition in my lower back.

Am a Disabled Vet, was injured in the Military (Army) and for the past 11 years have been dealing with Chronic Pain.

I am looking for some input regarding my situation.....I was chastized by the VA for not having surgery on my back yet. My research shows that surgery may not help me with my back - it may make things worse.

My current diagnosis is:
2005 Degenerative Disk Disease
Lumbar spondylosis with Degenerative Disk Disease at L5-S1 with vacuum disc phenomenon and bilateral neural foraminal narrowing which is greatest at L5-S1

Predominantly posterior annular bulge or broad based posterior disc protrusion extending from the right foraminal region to the left foraminal region. There is facet hypertrophy bilaterally. Moderate to severe neural foraminal encroachment bilaterally.

L4-L5 Facet hypertrophy and annular bulging results in moderate narrowing of the left neural foramen and mild to moderate narrowing of the right neural foramen (MRI 2 September 2005)

L3-L4 Mild annular bulging which does not significantly narrow the spinal canal or neural foramina

There is loss of intervertebral disc water signal intensity at the L4-L5 and L5-S1 levels with mild loss of intervertebral disc height at L5-S1, Anteriorly and posteriorly projecting osteophytes are seen at the L5-S1 level.

The conus medullaris terminates posterior to the L2 vertebral body. There is a focal area of fat signal intensity in the T10 vertebral body consistent with a hemangioma and there are fatty end-plate changes at the L4-S1, consistent with degenerative end-plate changes. (MRI 2 September 2005)

Now I have been also diagnosed with a healing fracture at the right fifth rib - can feel this everyday when I stand and a Neurogenic Bladder not to mention a score of other things.

The VA is saying that the Neurogenic Bladder cannot be connected to my original L5-S1 herniation and subsequent Degenerative Disk Disease. My Urologist says that I can only get a enlarged NGB by an injury to the spinal cord.....now I have to prove that there is a connection.

Nothing I am reading can tie the two together. Is there a test - the VA mentions a EMG test I had that was abnormal (in 97) when I was first injured but came out normal a year ago (2006).

Can you help?

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Kim,
I wish I could help you with some answers, only I have been dealing with much the same problem not for several years.
i have been to numerous Dr's. and had all the test done etc.
All I get is,"yes there is a problem and we can't prove or disapprove that it is related to the spine, of course we're most sure it is, but does it really matter you have the problem so here is another script to help, of course we can't fix it but this med. will help the discomfort".
I haven't taken the script as of yet only because I can not stand the thought of yet another med when I am already on seven and all for symptoms nothing to cure or fix.
I wish you the best of luck and don't give up.
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There are charts available that show the connection between each nerve area of the spine and what it controls. I am sorry I don't have the links for you but I have seen them through the forum called BrainTalk communities in their section on spinal disorders.

These charts have been very helpful in me realizing my symptoms and how a body part can be symptomized due to damage at a spinal location.
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http://www.southtexaschiro.com/backbone.htm


try thisone..it may work
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I hope that link solves some of your problems. I did a google search for "vertebral nerve charts" then clicked on the images button...there may be more there you wish to use.
Get well soon!
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http://images.google.com/images?q=De...=&start=0&sa=N
Dermatomes - Google Image Search

Ih ope you find some relief soon.
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I want to say Thank you to everyone and their recommendations. The website link really did help put this into perspective.

After dealing with this for 11 years, there are times I get frustrated.

All the best.....dealing with life....in Alaska.

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