thanks to all that wrote back as you can see i am still up'' pain is pretty bad but i can cope so far, i have until thurs aroud 5 to see if this worked , but with all the pain and now on duregisic 50 pain is still pretty bad, i sure hope the doc was right in stating tat the pain could get worse till thurs, but by thurs 5pm if still in pain than it didn't work and he would like me to go for thoric t7-8 surery not sure i am willing to do that---- thats if i am still among the living, but like i said i am very strong so i know i will be back just don't think this workd,, he didn't even want to up my patch to 50 even though i told him it hasn't worked for the past three weeks just didn't want to look like a drug seeker, he said he didn't want to up it in case it did work well hello what if it didn't then i am stuck with the 25 that desn't do anything and he is hard to contact. i have had problems with emroom they think that vic 500 should help, they don''t undestand that when u r on fentanyal 500 vics do nothing, and my pm will give nothing but the patch, going to try and sleep again will keep all updated . thank u all for your advice and concern deb