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09-05-2010, 08:50 AM | #1 | ||
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Tom, death is not the answer to what ails us. We cannot help others nor ourselves by trying to take, what we think is, "the easy way out". You are still a young man being I'm 64 and have a lot of life still in me. Don't give into the words "old age", it's a mind thing. "As a man thinketh, so is he". I use to have very bad pains in my legs to the point of my right knee giving out on me. I am not one to take medication except once in a while an Excedrin. I found other alternatives to medicine. I changed my diet....when we reach a certain age there are some foods our body can no longer handle. I eat more fruits and vegetables now and have totally taken red meat out of my diet. I use to walk and exercise a lot, but I felt I over did it. I had to learn to balance life out, and learn to listen to my body. Your body tells you what it needs, believe it or not. I also (please don't think that I'm crazy, but) talked to my pain, because I believe we all have the power within to heal ourselves, we just have to change our thinking.
We never know what life will deal us, but we have to be prepare to deal with life and choose to change it around to benefit us to the best we can with whatever situation we face. I have observed so many people, old and young faced with horrific conditions, however they beat the odds by choosing to live their lives to the fullest in the condition they are dealing with, for instance Steven Hawking. Hawking has a neuro-muscular dystrophy that is related to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, a condition that has progressed over the years and has left him almost completely paralysed, however his brain is still functioning and he is still teaching other people with what function he has left. He's looking at life with respect to it and choosing to 'live' it to best he can with what he has left of it. I hope you choose to live life to it's fullest and not shorten it, because you don't know what you mean to someone else in your life. God bless you and keep talking and sharing with others. ....ask not what have you done for me lately, but what have I done for you lately... Rakeitha Quote:
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09-05-2010, 10:02 AM | #2 | |||
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I am so glad you wrote what you did. I'm a big believer in putting good stuff in our bodies. Thanks for writing what you did. When I first came on this thread and read the various postings, the first thing that popped into my head was Steven Hawking, a man stuck in a body that is practically frozen, but his mind is on a different level than all of us. I don't know how he has lasted so long, but God Bless that man. Mel
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09-06-2010, 09:31 AM | #3 | ||
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Melody, I do eat well, a full and balanced diet. Too much sugar and salt, no doubt. Sprouts? Your prior message was the first time I ever heard of them. No doubt I could improve things by eating better; the question is, how much better? Yes, I believe in alternative medicine, and did yoga (Hatha) for 6 months or so. I take homeopathic medicine now. It's just that, well, at the end of the day, the thought keeps reappearing: my time has come. I know that people here refer to suicide as the "beast." I would say that taking one's life when the time comes, is not suicide; hence, the beast is either absent altogether or of an entirely different nature. Rakeitha, you mention Steven Hawking. He is a hero to me -- much as Johnny Weismuller was to all us kids in the polio ward (he had polio and went on to become a world champion swimmer). Such people move the goalposts for everybody else; indeed, they provoke changes OF, not just IN, the game. Yet there is a price to be paid, even in their case: go to http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=577 for another person's view, i.e., his ex-wife. No, I don't feel bad because I am "old;" I feel old because I feel bad. I looked around for a quote from Hawking on suicide, and couldn't find one. I wonder if anybody has ever bothered to ask him about it: Dave, talk about the elephant in the room -- that one is no elephant, he's a mammoth! |
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09-06-2010, 09:39 AM | #4 | |||
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Honestly, from what you have written, I gather no one here can talk you out of doing what you are set on doing. I recently put up a thread on an amazing man with no arms and no legs (who also thought of suicide at the age of eight), because he didn't want to be a burden on his family. That man is now an adult and he travels extensively as a motivational speaker helping THOUSANDS of the disabled and the non-disabled. He even made me laugh when he played music with his little flipper foot. He has SOME sense of humor. He made the young people in the room, laugh and cry. He explained his way of thinking, his belief system (this is what I think got him to the point where he is today). He found a purpose for his life. Not a reason for being disabled, but a purpose for his existence. We all have purpose. Some don't find it until we are older than usual. But I think everyone has a purpose. We just need to find what that purpose is and what we can do with it. I wish you well on your journey to whatever you decide is in your best interest. I can only hope it's to continue to exist, to reach out, to make someone smile, to give someone a compliment. TO LIVE!!! As Spock used to say Live Long and Prosper!! and yeah, I GREW UP ON STAR TREK!!! And I try to use humor every single day. lol Melody
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09-06-2010, 12:10 PM | #5 | ||
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Yes, I watched your post on the man without limbs. Such people make the unimaginable real, actual. He's onto something profound: you can get away with doing things in a funny way which might cause riots if stated in a serious essay. "I think everybody has a purpose." I do, too. I also think that at 66, my purpose may be behind me -- although right now, as I write these words, I sense another purpose emerging: help people see that taking one's own life and suicide are not necessarily the same thing. You note, "I gather no one here can talk you out of doing what you are set on doing." I wonder ... is one of the differences between taking one's own life and suicide PRECISELY that in the former, there is indeed nothing you can talk them out of, whereas in the latter -- say a teenager sitting on the ledge of a building -- there is the material there to talk them down? "Talk them out of" implies misplaced emotions, mistaken ideas. Can it be that somebody can take their own life and have well-founded emotions and mature, rational ideas? Is that possible? Suicide is a "beast" -- I agree with neurotalk members on that point. But what about "taking one's own life" due to an incurable disease and increasing weakness and constant discomfort and/or pain? |
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09-06-2010, 12:22 PM | #6 | |||
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I absolutely see your point. There is a MAJOR difference between having a terminal painful illness, and a teenager suffering angst and thinking "oh woe is me, she doesn't love me anymore, my life is meaningless" BIG DIFFERENCE. It brings to mind a very good film by the name of Soylent Green. I don't know if you've heard of it, or seen it but it brings up what a person might be able to do (in a far distant future society), when Euthanasia might be legal. In the film Edward G. Robinson is a very old, wise man who is helping Charlton Heston discover the secret of WHAT IS SOYLENT GREEN? But in the film, there is this big building where people can go and take that journey that they are determined to take. It's probably up on youtube. The way they explain it is that the elderly or the terminally ill, can walk into a center and they can achieve their goals in a beautiful, peaceful, pain-free manner. I was always moved by the scene where Charlton Heston arrives just in time to be with Edward G. Robinson as he exits his existence. I remember saying 'I wonder if our world will ever allow this to happen". Of course, this does not exist at present. Perhaps some other countries have this,but I've never heard of it. I don't think people who have a religion, well I don't believe ANY religion would condone this kind of ending. Maybe SOME DAY down the road, this might happen, but in our present society we have pain meds, hospice and whatever we need to do. Just know, whatever you do decide to do, I wish you God speed. You sound like a brilliant man who has given this a lot of thought. What's my purpose in life at the moment? To keep reading posts and continue to learn. I have learned more since I hit 60 than I EVER learned when I was younger. I'm like a completely different human being and my brain is like a little sponge and I want to absorb everything. I'm not religious whatsoever but I am spiritual. I believe in positive energy and not in negative energy. So keep posting, you have much to teach us. Melody
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09-06-2010, 01:11 PM | #7 | |||
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Hi Melody
Quote from you I absolutely see your point. There is a MAJOR difference between having a terminal painful illness, and a teenager suffering angst and thinking "oh woe is me, she doesn't love me anymore, my life is meaningless" BIG DIFFERENCE Anyone considering taking their life.......... Is in my humble opinion a tragedy ......the above analogy is rather harsh in the way it defines the act/thought of suicide to only be comprehensible by a more mature mind........sadly the act of suicide amongst teenagers is rife in the UK 2003 totalled 5755 .................And i would hesitate to guess quite a few may have been feeling . 'woe is me' mountains and molehills......................whatever age or gender....creed or colour.....................................whats a huge dilemma to one is a mere drop in the ocean for another............ Please lets all be aware there are many people who read this forum.......and when it comes to SUICIDE...............IT DOES NOT DICRIMINATE ON A PERSONS AGE OR INTELECTUAL BACKGROUND...........It justs lures you just the same David in no way said to offend ......just stating an opinion
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09-06-2010, 02:14 PM | #8 | ||
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Hello, Melody: "Soylent Green" -- I saw it 30 years ago or so, and never, never, never forgot the scene you refer to: the beautiful movie of landscapes and seascapes and classical music. You don't know what the Robinson character is going to do -- just go to a movie? If I remember correctly, he is the only one in the place; all the other seats are empty -- which makes his isolation all the more, well, isolated. Someday that option will exist for people: you mentioned "other countries." In Switzerland there are several groups working on it (Dignitas and Exit), but they are in the preliminary stages. Dignitas is very controversial for letting foreigners in, as well as people who are not suffering from incurable diseases. Anyway, Robinson makes a POWERFUL portrayal, the kind that exists only in art (not rational exposes like mine), the kind I hope Dave and others will work up into the ultimate drama of what a suicidal person thinks and feels -- "To be or not to be: that is the question." Yes, it is THE question, especially for those who deny it. I, too, by the way, had rough treatment in a hospital and by people around me after my attempt: the best line to give such people may be: "Who are you talking to? Me or you?" |
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