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Doing homework of my heritage it is sad to see a culture of persons I am of Hungarian decent speak read and write I have come to learn There is a anthem for suicide called "Gloomy Sunday" baffling to me and the modern alternative is alcohol anyone interested in the logic behind it just type in Hungarian and suicide Now my dads suicide even though there was a note It too typical for Hungarians as it is a heroic act Vengeful How many times we were wrapped around her legs Watching our father told not to speak to him This man did not know if he was coming or going Then the make up we were forgotten But just until the next fight Compelled to know of my heritage I learn of this sad truth Thank you for allowing me to share |
Bumping up this old thread about choices, one of many old threads that discuss the "right to die". Suggest doing an advance search if interested.
Hugs for the room. :grouphug: |
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So, considering all the disease states the body/mind can get itself into, some with unrelenting pain the one true gift of nature to the human animal is suicide. Instead of seeing this as a true blessing (remember we all die anyway) most see it as a curse and fear it so much they must vilify or attempt to legislate that gift away. Not just for themselves but to infringe on the rights of others. BTW I'd like to see in the Bible where it specifically prohibits suicide. This is an invention of the priests rather than a dictate from scripture IMO. And on and on. A free man or woman will act on their own behalf based on their own assessment of their own life and that's the way it should be. Here's Schopenhauer on the subject. (philosopher) ON SUICIDE. "As far as I can see, it is only the followers of monotheistic, that is of Jewish, religions that regard suicide as a crime. This is the more striking as there is no forbiddance of it, or even positive disapproval of it, to be found either in the New Testament or the Old; so that teachers of religion have to base their disapprobation of suicide on their own philosophical grounds; these, however, are so bad that they try to compensate for the weakness of their arguments by strongly expressing their abhorrence of the act--that is to say, by abusing it. We are told that suicide is an act of the greatest cowardice, that it is only possible to a madman, and other absurdities of a similar nature; or they make use of the perfectly senseless expression that it is "_wrong_," while it is perfectly clear that no one has such indisputable right over anything in the world as over his own person and life. Suicide, as has been said, is computed a crime, rendering inevitable--especially in vulgar, bigoted England--an ignominious burial and the confiscation of the property; this is why the jury almost always bring in the verdict of insanity. Let one's own moral feelings decide the matter for one. Compare the impression made upon one by the news that a friend has committed a crime, say a murder, an act of cruelty or deception, or theft, with the news that he has died a voluntary death. Whilst news of the first kind will incite intense indignation, the greatest displeasure, and a desire for punishment or revenge, news of the second will move us to sorrow and compassion; moreover, we will frequently have a feeling of admiration for his courage rather than one of moral disapproval, which accompanies a wicked act. Who has not had acquaintances, friends, relatives, who have voluntarily left this world? And are we to think of them with horror as criminals? _Nego ac pernego_! I am rather of the opinion that the clergy should be challenged to state their authority for stamping--from the pulpit or in their writings--as a _crime_ an act which has been committed by many people honoured and loved by us, and refusing an honourable burial to those who have of their own free will left the world. They cannot produce any kind of Biblical authority, nay, they have no philosophical arguments that are at all valid; and it is _reasons_ that we want; mere empty phrases or words of abuse we cannot accept. If the criminal law forbids suicide, that is not a reason that holds good in the church; moreover, it is extremely ridiculous, for what punishment can frighten those who seek death? When a man is punished for trying to commit suicide, it is his clumsy failure that is punished." |
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Survivors of Suicide Who are we? And why do we hang out here? Some of us have lost a loved one to suicide...some of us are feeling so crushed by life that we want it to end. We come together for support..we count on each other to pick us up, dust us off and give us a reason to try some more. We don't judge people in this forum and we ask not to be judged ourselves. When you share here, we promise to listen with our hearts. All are welcome....especially lurkers! |
"we count on each other to pick us up, dust us off and give us a reason to try some more"
Thanks - lots of thanks - for the fine people who do this. May God bless you. |
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I understand that you believe in choices, and so do I. But some of your explanations for your choice comes across as judgmental and perhaps defensive? I'm glad we are talking about this and I hope I have not offended you. That was not my intent. :hug:
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I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to in my posts but if it had to deal with what I posted about nothing in the Bible condemning suicide I posted that for anyone, who like me, was brought up thinking it was a sin and in the Bible. Anyway I have strong feelings about this issue for sure. My goal is to support choice in the individual. It's not up to me what that choice should be. I hope this has clarified things a little as I try very hard not to offend if it can be helped. We are all struggling here. :hug: |
thank you for clarifying that. When our Michael killed himself our Pastors wife told me he went straight to hell. :confused:
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