Listening is the most important thing we can do when someone is talking. Thank you Idealist. <3


I agree Twink....our mental health "issues" are a great mystery.

Thank you DMACK. I do believe that illness is involved, obviously, whether physically or mentally. Chronic physical illness and having no joy for life itself, or feeling like you have nothing to offer society or the people in it, can make you believe that life is not WORTH living. It's simply because the individual has lost their sense of self-worth as our society defines self worth. Yes, we have all bought our ticket out of life when we were born, but the timing is not ours to set. There is usually some strong emotion behind the act even if rationalized by the individual. I'm glad your still here.

Alffe, you understand how important listening and REALLY caring are. People can tell when your intentions are true and when your just being mannerly. YOU set such a wonderful example, and I love you for it.

I think it's important to listen and help them to see there ARE other options. However, our society is becoming more and more devoid of the simple acts of a caring touch or phone call. Technology is taking that away from us.

Idealist, I'm so sorry to read about your friend. This may be another example of someone who could not reach out for,or simply did not know how, to ASK for help. Yes, despair can certainly be persistent. Love can be healing

Twinkletoes, I am so sorry to read about this child as well. I think it's especially difficult for someone trying to fit in to our society when they just feel like they don't and have tried and tried only to feel like a failure, and, again, it's hard to find someone who REALLY understands and can relate. It's when someone can really relate to what you are saying that you can really FEEL understood. Thank goodness someone did listen and take action.

Yes, Lara, it upsets me terribly how easy it is to get a gun, and yet, how rational it can seem to own one or more. I don't like them myself. I'd rather have a can of mace

First, the one in trouble needs to TALK, and someone needs to LISTEN and really CARE. I wish more people would utilize Neurotalk. I know my friends here have saved me

The problem of suicide is still growing, unfortunately. To help prevent even one is a blessing. I thank everyone here for their help and support of me over the years.

My experience a rational intelligent woman
that only time gives a person
Coming from a "highly" dysfunctional
upbringing help me as a young child
the oldest of three
How they both still come to me
as if I were momma
My youngest sister
gives me Mother's Day card
and honors me as one
She is a dedicated daughter
to to woman who birthed us
Forgive me father almighty
the ill feelings I have when I
think of her and her lies
This pain I suffer will just grow
unless a miricle
and I do believe
To have a father who checked out
by his own hands
All the ingredients that helped him
make that final decision also a slew of
ingredients
For the thought to be there as it has
for me many times in my life
Just the thought
Now depending on my mental state
Including all the ingredients mostly genetics
having a play as my family from my children
to the man that is my father is gone by his own hands
What I'm trying to say
get out
The thought process thinks they will be
BETTER without me
WRONG
all my children tried
I pray my boy reaches out
when he thinks to take his life
we we
My whole family sisters and all
have made their attempt
And to been spoken to open to
talk talk talk talk talk and talk
no matter how rational all may sound
Our mind distorted by compounded pain
piled one on top of the other
Oh how angry I am I have such
limited time when pain is doable
Till it slowly stops working
and to now be in a state inoperable
"To many things wrong"
This I already knew with my
second opinion doctor that ordered
a the meylo gram
And a third
But having to hold on to
find out it do not metastasized
and to remove that factor of
bone cancer
allows me not to beg him to
bring me home
In my case many factors
Obsession lifted
Just for today
Amen
Love to the world

Idealist...................Suicide....can be a choice....whether that be from short term or long term illness; or terminal illnees [i personaly class this as end of life choice which is euthinasia]

Suicide and euthinasia are two different animals

suicide is on the whole spontaneous or dilliousioanaly pre planned ...euthinasia is calculated and planned from the result of impemding death or severe imobiloty

education bares no stamp on both suicide and euthinasia,,, it effects all walks of life,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


I think that by showing your love you are probably already using the most powerful tool that you have. I do think it's important to remember to show this love in a persistent way. After all, the despair is probably persistent itself.

this sumation is correct and ideal in all cases and i totally agree Idealist

I have tried quite a few times to end my life since my last accident.

My pain gets so bad and overwhelming!

My accident also took most of my quality of life away. Before , I had an active life , I was productive , very social , outgoing etc. I also was a pianist, which I'm unable to do now because of this terrible pain!

For the most part I used to live my life in gratitude and embrace it . One of the best feelings was being able to help my family, clients and friends, or even strangers in a store if I saw they were struggling to get or do something.

The remnants of this accident made my life go in a 180 degree turn.

I went from that place..... to a place of looking forward and hoping to die every day.

It has been like a death to me... and my life as I knew it.

Chronic pain is a beast and it has wreaked havoc in lives ,both physically and mentally!

I hope that all of you here as well as myself ,find pain relief,and some peace with accepting this new way of "life".

{{{ HUGS TO ALL }}}

know it well
and then feel how my children
did not sign up for having asked to
come into this world
it would be a second suicide
in the family
none of that pain
if i have anything to do with it
i love them
and the fellowship i find here
has pulled me up off the ground
and held me up till i was strong enough
thank God
thank God
thank God
Amen
you have a place here
love
me

I've been down that road and turned back temporarily. I have no issue with what anyone does with their own life. It's not mine and I have no idea what it's like for them and I can think of no better time for them to be selfish.

I have seen it from the other side with family and friends telling someone in deep deep distress that they are being crummy for being so selfish never realizing the amazing amount of selfishness it takes to demand that someone suffer greatly so you don't have to suffer a little.


A gun is such a messy way to effect relief as there are very gentle ways to accomplish things and it does leave things in better shape for family and friends.

You know suicides for the most part are not trying to hurt anyone they are trying to save their own sanity. They are in such physical and emotional pain that they can't stand being alive. What a horrible position to be in.

And I also don't agree with those that say it's the coward's way out. The night I sat down to do it was the most frightening night of my life. Something stopped me that night that was life changing for me but had that not happened I wonder if I would have had the courage. People not in pain may never be able to relate to those who have it. Due to that I usually disregard their opinions in favor of my own. I'm devastated that people get into so much pain that their only option is to end the suffering. I'm grateful, so very grateful we have such an option.

Having said that it's permanent so you better think hard and long.

Thank you for Sharing
Not only did my father use a gun
and was successful he left a note
He was a coward
How I want to be home when I feel I can't go
on anymore
I have NO OPTION
I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN
HOW SELFISH OF HIM
A coward indeed
I managed to forgive him
In Jesus I trust

Hi Icelander and welcome to the forum.

You sound like a very compassionate, intelligent and forgiving person.
Like Eva, I lost an only son to suicide, gun in mouth many years ago.

I believe we suffer differently depending on whether you are a child who has lost a parent to suicide or are a parent who loses a child that way.

I understand the difference and am watching and listening carefully to this surviving now man who believes that his father, my wonderful son, was a selfish coward.

Hugs for the room.

I can only imagine the pain of losing a child; then to have your grandson feel as he does. I hope for both of you; he will grow in understanding and forgiveness.

Some years ago, one of my daughters who suffered from cocaine addiction; was in a downward spiral. She had a friend who had a gun. My daughter spoke of wanting to put the gun in her mouth and end it.
Emotional pain can be just as devastating as physical pain. As a mother; all I could do was offer her support and did a lot of praying. My daughter has been drug free for many years; but the mood swings are always present. For today; she is doing well.


Gerry