I believe it is supporting one another. Many look at us and say well "you look so good"; that's the end of story. Not many care to hear our complaining or really want to listen to our pain stories.

Here; we are free to say how we feel; what we feel. There is compassion, caring, loving people here. Our families, friends (those who are still around), just don't want to deal with the downers we might unintentionally pass around.

There are ideas, treatments, passed on to one another. Many have helped one another with their suggestions. Our goal is supporting one another; hoping to learn ways to accept and still find joy in living despite our physical or emotional pain. Supporting suicide is not one of them.

Not sure what type of education you were expecting.


Gerry

Being selfish is part of our human nature. Those who are encouraging you to live are being selfish also even if they don't realize it. They are selfish because they believe their views to be the right ones. This is natural and we all do it. But ultimately no one knows for sure what is right or what is wrong, we only have our selfish beliefs on the matter. And it's especially selfish IMO when we decide what is in the best interests of another.

IMO again, compassion, empathy, love is allowing others to make their own decisions and loving and supporting them even if their decision is not a decision we would choose for ourselves. Recognizing that we do not know how they feel and we do not know what is in their best interest.

I hope you find physical and emotional relief in whatever way you decide is best. I can give you my opinion but in the end I support your right as a free and separate individual to choose your own course in life and I expect you to do the same for me.

No one walks in anyone's shoes but the person. No one eles know's anyone's total pain and circumstances.

I had thoughts of trying to leave this life earlier this year and whatever I did the thoughts have passed. I surely don't feel great but good enough NOW and don't have thoughts of leaving.

My sister, on the other hand deals with advanced MS and her husband takes total care of her..she is the cheerleader type who wants to live on and wants others to live no matter...She and I don't think alike.

I have a nice friend who ended her life at 58 or so with help from her doctor...she had kidney failure with 3rd rejection and could not go on living on dylasis. She could not endure it anymore....she had a husband but it didn't change what she did. I understand her. Think of her often.. She is no longer in pain.

Years ago I was attending a women's group and one week talked to a sweet woman exchanging thoughts on thyroid issues. The next group meeting, we were informed Ann left this place. I didn't get to know her except for the struggle we both were having with getting thyroid help.

Anyway, my thoughts. I'm pro choice on everything. C

EVERYONE with questions PLEASE READ this response.

How do you know they did not take my way. When they left here they may have left the earth. I think what I want is to be heard concerning my new way of life not be talked in or out of anything. Just be heard that I am new and new Is Extremely hard since I have already had a horrible life. I do not need another condition to come to terms with. I had a horrible abusive childhood that I had to come to terms with and I am exhausted trying to deal with one more and wondering why I get another one. Like I said this is not the first and may just be the start of many others. I would think after what I have been through life would leave me alone NOT dump more crap for me to deal with in this life!!!!! I professionally was a counselor. I know first hand their limitations. Aren't you the one that said that you were abandoned by one after your cancer DX. I was not one of them that was laughing even though the frequent flyers I saw were having adult sized temper tantrums - throwing medical equipment getting on the floor kicking beating and screaming. They looked like a circus act. Made the rest of us look like fools and that is what the medical professionals see and then put us all in that same boat.

I am totally confused. Confused about your desires in posting on NT. Confused about what you are seeking. Confused about your frame of mind. Confused by your posts and responses to our posts.

I feel as some other posters, that my attempts to help just fall on deaf ears.

I have no idea of how to help or support you when I can't figure out what you are seeking.

Why are you here????

Are you seeking answers and information about your neuropathy?

Are you looking for someone to say, go ahead end it, we agree with you?

Are you looking for hope that you are NOT doomed to unrelenting pain the rest of your life?

Are you looking for someone to give you hope that your future is not as bleak as you imagine?

Are you looking for someone to comfort you?

You seem dead set (forgive the pun) to seek assistance to end your life so nothing we can say will comfort you. You do not seem receptive to the idea that things might get better in your life.

You say that the cyber caring is not good enough. You want REAL human contact and caring. We can NOT provide that. We ARE in cyber space as you say.

So, again, I am totally confused as to why you are here. I don't know what we can possibly do for you. I don't know how to support you.

Icelander has talked about your freedom to choose. I agree that YOU are in control of your destiny. And I mean that in the full sense of it. You can control your destiny in life as well as control if and when to die before your time has come.

You have received posts supporting you on ALL fronts. With your neuropathy. With your obvious depression. With your end of life choice.

What DO you want from us?

Like I said, I am confused.

I have empathy for you and the life situation you have expressed. It is very tough to feel so all alone. You are not the ONLY person in that type of situation.

Maybe I should shut up here but I have one more comment that may not be appropriate but I feel compelled to say it.

I do NOT think you are in the proper state of mind to make a life or death decision. While I agree, it is your decision, I think one must be psychologically sound to make it and I do not think you are in that state of mind.

Until I know what you seek from me and other members, I don't know what else to say. We have already responded to all the questions I posed.

Thank you Icelander I appreciate your support and comments. I would never come on here and push my thoughts, opinions and beliefs on anyone. It is for each individual to decide what is right for them.

Icelander,

Being selfish is a part of human nature? WRONG. This Forum, and others, would not exist, Charities, Aid, Government even Civilisation would not exist if that were the human norm. We, as a species, have been shown to be naturally altruistic.

When someone comes here, broadcasting to the World, that they are in pain, physically and emotionally, it is NATURAL to offer support and aid. To tell the World has to be seen as a cry for help. Otherwise, one slinks away quietly and the outcome, no matter what you believe, is too tragic for words.

Everyone has their beliefs, but if you think that this, or any Forum, is filled with selfish people then you have clearly missed the point by a Country Mile. Have you, personally, not received a single shred of benefit by being a Member here?

I have read your Posts on this matter and what you have said about your personal circumstances and understand where you may get your opinion from - much as anyone can understand another. But, for no Religious reason, simply from personal experience I truly believe EVERY life is worthwhile and should be lived to the fullest. There are too many who never get that chance for others to treat the Gift so lightly.

Dave.

Dave
I read your profile. In my opinion you have been through H*LL on earth. I can't even know how you have made it this far. Then I read your post and am so shocked. Live life to the fullest. Every life is worthwhile. In your case and don't take this the wrong way but it looks like you are making the medical professionals and pharmecuticaks very wealthy. Your history would scare the strongest person out here. I am so sorry you have had to endure this life. I take my hat off to you. For you to still have the same attitude is remarkable almost to the point of martyr.

I just realized there were 67 posts to my thread and wanted to say thank you. We may not agree so we have to agree to disagree but just wanted all of you to know I appreciate the cyber caring.

We HAVE heard you. We listened. We offered support.

Yes, you may have been dealt a VERY bad hand in life. You are not the first nor the last to get bad cards. I really do hear and feel your emotional agony.

Traveling your road ALONE as you have stated is EXTREMELY difficult. Again, you are not the first nor the last in that situation.

Your posts have a tone of attack and resentment toward the members here that HAVE heard you and offered support and help. We ARE in a computer screen and NOT able to go with you to doctors, hold your hand, be there during the lonely painful nights. We ARE limited in what support we can provide and you seem to reject it at every corner.

Someone once told me, "In order to have a friend, you have to BE a friend."

In the REAL world as you say, why don't you have someone in your corner? Have you pushed everyone away? What would YOU do for someone that walked in your shoes if you were trying to be their friend and be supportive?

I know you don't want any questions so I can't give you any answers.

We will LISTEN and you will be HEARD, but I really don't know how we can be of any assistance when you rebuke everyone here that has offered support.