vicc,

when members are down, depressed, having suicidal thoughts, yes we want to help. by posting you are reaching out for support.

we don't allow posts saying you are going to or about to kill yourself. or that you have already taken steps, like taken pills. no threats basically.

we won't allow the members who trying to help be put in that position.

does that make sense?

alffe is typing faster than me.

Hi Curious,

Yes it does, thank you.

Taboo[ Oxford English Dictionary.......[adjective] not to be done or used or talked about. [Btaboo [/B]noun...[from Tongan tabu= Sacred.
The above description depicts the word SUICIDE in all it's oppressive, disturbing, and in-humane ways.
Yes we as humans we don't like the word, we are repellent to the act, committed by others, and dubious of the acts intentions.
'Was that person ill', 'did they really have nothing to live for' 'was life really that bad', 'i never knew there was anything wrong' etc..etc...

When we are alone by ourselves, despondent with our lot... diss-enfranchised, by life.. ignored by our loved ones, castigated by our peers, can we all not , for a split second think ' i don't want this life anymore'

Those of you reading this and saying NEVER, NEVER.... sadly until you meet your maker you will never know what's around the corner.
There is a saying 'There but for the Grace of God go I'.........Wisely this means given ay minuet, any hour, day, week, month.... life can change... your choice's in life change...your out look on life can change.. above all Your MIND /BODY can change.


scenario


Could you MURDER..?. Could you kill your self? [ answer both questions truthfully].................................................. .................................................. ...................................




Scenario 1............you come home to find your loved ones dead, and a deviant predator blood stained , sitting at your dinner table laughing. You have a gun in your possession... Do you Kill him? if yes you can MURDER.


Scenario 2............You are made redundant from your job, go home to hear your spouse has a terminal illness, later to find one of your children have been killed in a road traffic accident. If you for one split second think your own death would be the solution, YOU, COULD ALSO COMMITT MURDER. only Taboo calls it suicide.


These feelings believe it or not are in us all.... we just need the circumstances in place, and the choices, removed...........


Mommas'Kids,...........thank you so much....


Addy........i wish to god some one had stumbled across my words 16 years ago..[ but what you say is still very true]

Vic...............Please don't take this the wrong way.... You read the Title of this link............What made you reply... if it was repulsion to the thought people advocate Suicide, IBM sorry... on here we all want to rid the earth of this tragic culminations of torture....[ whatever the reasons, sometimes no reasons] If for any other reason please talk about it..

We are all adults we choose to visit this forum, and we should all understand sadness is abound... but realise that its all around.

When Taboos are challenged they become the norm,...education...etc...

EDUCATION IS THEWAY TO ALTER THE MINDS OF, OURSELVES, AND OTHERS.
Listen to your own pain,

1. hear others

, together we can all make a difference.

David

PS Tenna [ dear lady]

Please let's not go down the route of cencorship, in this subject... like poetry words are from the soul, heart.... basic foundations of life..

The forum title should be caution enough i feel.

And in a Democratic Country like America why is it illegal to even mention Suicicde as a contemplation....It's very un Christian... to believe torment is a sin,... in my humble opinion.

Love you Lots Tenna,, just my oppinion dear Lady.

David

Hi all,

First let me say I understand what it is like for the person who contimplates suicide. Its a difficult subject and one that is not without immeasurable thought behind it.
I suffer from an illness which will not kill me itself but is incureable as of yet. I live daily in pain. I have a husband and 4 children and even they don't understand the amount of pain I deal with. I feel that I battle even them when it comes to trying to get understanding on what my body is going through. You see I don't look sick, and I try not to go around each day showing how badly I feel. I have spent alot of time covering up the pain trying to fit in.
I had social security tell me I was able to work denying me benefits which were once ordered by a judge. But because I went through a short period where I was pain free due to new medications which my body became used to and stopped working. But before that I took myself off of the SSI and went back to work. I never liked collecting and felt as though I was a deadbeat for being so young and not working. So I jumpped at the opportunity when it arose.
But now I'm right back to being in extreme pain and no glimmer of hope of being out of it. That has a big impact on a person's psychy. There were many times I contemplated suicide. But thank God I haven't followed through. And God is the only reason I haven't so far. My faith is what keeps me alive right now. But honestly I'm not sure if that's enough to keep it away. Given the right circumstances and the means there comes a time when it doesn't matter. All I know is I want the pain to end. I've talked with my loved ones about it and they don't seem to listen, I've even been told that I'm just trying to get attention. Trust me, it's not attention I'm seeking but help to stop what I'm contemplating doing. If your loved ones mention suicide they aren't joking and are looking for you to help them stop.
I used to think/wonder how easy it would be to just drive my car off the road into the river where I live when I would drive down the road next to it that's how serious I was about it. So to make sure I don't do that I have stopped driving there. Sometimes it's not a matter of controlling it(suicical thoughts), it's a deep desire to rid myself of a lifetime of pain. I know it's wrong and times like tonight I can't imagine going through with it. But there are those times when I'm at my lowest that I'm not sure I can control stopping myself. So I make rational decisions when I am able to that control it before I get to that point.
I'm glad there's a thread like this to bring it out into the open. Because I know talking about it's alot better than going through with it. I'm sorry if this is just for survivors. But I thought it may be helpful to get a view from the people who have contemplated it and what I know were my signals which I shared before I attempted, or thought about it.

Thanks
Sara

Sara...thank you for your imput. This forum is for everyone who is touched by suicide..either by fighting its' lure or surviving the loss of someone who completed the act.

I don't know what it's like to live with chronic pain but many on these forums do. I do understand the difference between wanting it to stop...wanting to have a quality of life that doesn't include constant pain..and wanting to die.

I'm not sure that I agree that suicide always involves immeasurable thought...I think it's often done impulsively..with no thought at all.

I'm so sorry your family doesn't "get it"...their support would be so beneficial for you emotionally.

I'm going to give you the link for our chronic pain forum and if you look around, you'll see many forums here whose members also share your pain and frustrations. And please continue to post here...many of us share your thoughts....and we understand what you are feeling.

Here is the link for our Chronic Pain forum...http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forum10.html

Alffe,

Thank you,

Oh I do agree that it is done impuslively, but the thoughts of it are what are long and thought out process. I'm glad that I'm not in state of mind anymore. But I do understand how a usually rational person can get to that point. I wish I knew about this site when I was there, it would have made it alot easier to deal with.

Sara

I came here because I suffered the effects of my husband commiting suicide but I gain as much from the people who are here because they have tried it as from the others that have been on my side of the fence.

It can be a polorizing subject, sometimes one cannot see the other side.

Being able to read about the other side helps me in some ways understand his actions. one of the first things I did after it happened was to buy several books written by people who have struggled with suicidal tendancies.

It took me a long time to read them, there were times it was just too painful and I would put them aside for months at a time. But in the end they helped me understand my husbands choice more clearly and with less anger.

I hope that all who have been on either side of the fence feel the freedom to come here and talk about it. Maybe together we can all heal a little more.

ckepi (wish I had a name for you!) What books did you read that helped?
Like you, I began reading them to try to make sense of a senseless act and find even years later..they do help.

That first year after their deaths is just a blurr. I couldn't concentrate enough to read and I don't remember much of it, including his funeral.
Being wrapped in that "cocoon" is a blessing...our minds just can't handle it.

I'm so glad we are all talking about it.