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Originally Posted by Lara (Post 765002)

OMG :(

I just re-read this whole thread over and over and over trying to understand it and some things that were written and you know what?

I don't know that it was a wall. I think it was secrecy. Trying to keep secret painful things from family.

I don't think they knew. I imagine or think it must have been shocking to them to find out how he'd been thinking all those years.

PTer's daughter was/is always a friend of mine. She's the most amazing woman. We met in person in the USA and she's a Long lost but much loved contact.

I think it was me that accidentally tipped her off to her father's posts at SOS. She had asked me how I knew her father and I knew her father because he'd visited my home forum and suggested I might find some friends at SOS... which thankfully I did. I didn't know she had no idea he posted there. :( It may have been very shocking to her. :(

She had wondered how I knew her father. I knew him because I stood side-by-side with him on a number of times in that original old forum where people were being discriminated against because of certain conditions. I raised my voice with him to try to help other people understand more about the particular conditions. I remember this so well.

I recall PTer coming to my home chat/ not forum at the old mgh place and saying he was going forever, (I remember it was late at night my time in au and I was talking with robyn from Victoria and she wondered what was going on. I was so sad. He said that I wouldn't talk to him again and that was that. We talked/chatted in real-time and then he was gone. forever.

Oh my...

Lara :hug:
How I wish I could sit across the table from you again... a pot of tea between us... maybe some cookies...

We are pioneers of cyberspace... and the relationships and experiences we have lived are incredible.... we are lucky to have been invited ...
and... to have stayed.

Hold dear your memories of Pter :grouphug:

http://www.hns.org/LinkClick.aspx?fi...u8%3D&tabid=90

Excellent link...may have to put it "downstairs too".

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Originally Posted by Alffe (Post 33881)

"Our minds are quite manipulative particularly when cultivated by fear. Do not fear your suicidal thoughts. Do not be ashamed of them. Do not let them be a negative aspect of your being. Accept them..and post them here or talk openly about them to friends and family...

A suicidal thought is NOT initiated by the mind as a way to harm the person.
It is initiated by the mind as a misguided attempt to protect the person. By understanding its intent you will be able to redirect it with self esteem and self love in place...fear will not be able to stimulate the negative cascading psysiological affects that make so many of us tire to the point of accepting suicide as the solution."

~Pter

I have found that suicide should never be mentioned to friends, at least not to any friends that I have. I don't really think I would ever do it, but as things progress and life has become so difficult and hope and peace seem to be no where in my life, I actually subconsciously picked where and how I would do it. It's the loneliness and isolation that is the worst.

I think you need some new friends. :hug: Welcome to the forum regigirl.

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Originally Posted by Alffe (Post 33881)

I don't see how it can be considered "misguided" in all situations. Again this is a subtle jab at suicide as a viable option for each of us that wants it. IMO suicide is the great gift of nature to man. When the pain is unrelenting and no viable solution presents then suicide is the gift of deliverance from unrelenting pain. And each person should be the decider for themselves what constitutes an unacceptable life. What right would I have deciding that for another person? I have none as that would turn others into my slaves in effect, doing my bidding rather than their own.

Lets check in with a great philosopher on the subject . A. Schopenhauer.

ON SUICIDE.

As far as I can see, it is only the followers of monotheistic, that is
of Jewish, religions that regard suicide as a crime. This is the more
striking as there is no forbiddance of it, or even positive disapproval
of it, to be found either in the New Testament or the Old; so that
teachers of religion have to base their disapprobation of suicide on
their own philosophical grounds; these, however, are so bad that they
try to compensate for the weakness of their arguments by strongly
expressing their abhorrence of the act--that is to say, by abusing it.
We are told that suicide is an act of the greatest cowardice, that it is
only possible to a madman, and other absurdities of a similar nature; or
they make use of the perfectly senseless expression that it is
"_wrong_," while it is perfectly clear that no one has such indisputable
right over anything in the world as over his own person and life.
Suicide, as has been said, is computed a crime, rendering
inevitable--especially in vulgar, bigoted England--an ignominious
burial and the confiscation of the property; this is why the jury almost
always bring in the verdict of insanity. Let one's own moral feelings
decide the matter for one. Compare the impression made upon one by the
news that a friend has committed a crime, say a murder, an act of
cruelty or deception, or theft, with the news that he has died a
voluntary death. Whilst news of the first kind will incite intense
indignation, the greatest displeasure, and a desire for punishment or
revenge, news of the second will move us to sorrow and compassion;
moreover, we will frequently have a feeling of admiration for his
courage rather than one of moral disapproval, which accompanies a wicked
act. Who has not had acquaintances, friends, relatives, who have
voluntarily left this world? And are we to think of them with horror as
criminals? _Nego ac pernego_! I am rather of the opinion that the clergy
should be challenged to state their authority for stamping--from the
pulpit or in their writings--as a _crime_ an act which has been
committed by many people honoured and loved by us, and refusing an
honourable burial to those who have of their own free will left the
world. They cannot produce any kind of Biblical authority, nay, they
have no philosophical arguments that are at all valid; and it is
_reasons_ that we want; mere empty phrases or words of abuse we cannot
accept. If the criminal law forbids suicide, that is not a reason that
holds good in the church; moreover, it is extremely ridiculous, for what
punishment can frighten those who seek death? When a man is punished for
trying to commit suicide, it is his clumsy failure that is punished.