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Old 11-02-2006, 06:33 PM   #1
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"Our minds are quite manipulative particularly when cultivated by fear. Do not fear your suicidal thoughts. Do not be ashamed of them. Do not let them be a negative aspect of your being. Accept them..and post them here or talk openly about them to friends and family...

A suicidal thought is NOT initiated by the mind as a way to harm the person.
It is initiated by the mind as a misguided attempt to protect the person. By understanding its intent you will be able to redirect it with self esteem and self love in place...fear will not be able to stimulate the negative cascading psysiological affects that make so many of us tire to the point of accepting suicide as the solution."


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Wise words ... from a wise guy. It is good to read them again. Maybe they should be stickied?

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Old 11-26-2006, 04:03 PM   #3
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As to the thoughts, I will be the first to say they are exhausting and, as I have said previously, they tire us to a point where we honestly believe suicide is the only solution. It is not. BEFRIEND and TALK. These thoughts are a part of you, for better or worse. I believe strongly in a physiological connection with suicidal thoughts. Our fear of the thought stimulates a negative physiological reaction which appears to give the negative thoughts enhanced power over us. Step back for a moment and place yourself in an imaginary situation. You see a child running into a busy roadway...you run quickly to save this child from oncoming cars...feel the reaction rising in your body. The adrenaline pounding throughout your body and brain. Now the rescue is over, your alone, feel the exhaustion of your body and mind.

You are rescuing yourself daily, hourly, every few minutes. Each thought envokes a physiological reaction with the end result being exhaustion. Befriend this thought. Treat it as you would the child who ran into the pathway of cars. Hold it, talk to it, teach it that there is another way to walk the roads of life. Post it here and allow others to comfort it. Do not be ashamed of it. What is it really but a thought that wants attention. Understand now, I did not say a PERSON who wants attention but a THOUGHT that wants attention from that person. It is the fight against the thought that tires us and makes us vulnerable to enactment of the thought.

I cannot give you a reason to live. I can, however, take away your reason for dying. An untrained unaccepted thought is not justification for death.
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Old 11-26-2006, 08:23 PM   #4
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I hate to sound ignorant here but who is Peter?
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:24 PM   #5
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Who is Peter? LOL...well, you are asking someone who was blinded by his ability to "get it" and then share it. He was an old man...the best kind..who was suicidal his whole life but fought the demons and died of old age. He educated a whole bunch of us on OBT about learning to redirect those suicidal thoughts...about not letting our minds fool us into thinking that we could end our pain by killing ourselves. And he entertained the hell out of me.
I miss him BJ....I'm glad you asked.
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I didn't mean to make you sad Alffe and I'm sorry. He sounds like he was a wise man. I've seen his name around here in a few places and thought maybe he was a famous person or wrote a book or something. I was going to ask where to buy it.

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Understand now, I did not say a PERSON who wants attention but a THOUGHT that wants attention from that person. It is the fight against the thought that tires us and makes us vulnerable to enactment of the thought.
This is sort of what I was told when I was in the "hospital". A lot of people said I did it because I wanted attention. But the docs assured me that it wasn't so. I was crying out for help.

Thanks for posting this. It makes for a good reading.
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I remember something else Pter recommended. To sit on your hands. He said, "your hands can't hurt you if you are sitting on them."

And he used to do this when he was really in battle with the Beast!
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That's good advice Alffe and I've been sitting on my hands all week. How come I still hurt? How much heartache and rejection can one person take? How come I have this lonliness inside and this feeling of is anyone out there?
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(((BJ)))You ARE going to hurt this holiday season...I just don't want you to hurt yourself. You are early in grieving your dear mother BJ....feel what ever it is you feel: fear, anger quilt, apathy....and hold yourself tight, rock while you're holding yourself. And I don't know who on earth is rejecting you....you have siblings ....did I remember that right?

Turn to others for support....here if you have no one in real life. Most importantly...remember to remember. Your tears will eventually lessen....but not this Holiday season.

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Siblings? Oh yes, I have a brother who I’ve seen once in 10 years. He got married and took off and drifted away. The one time I did see him was at my dad’s funeral. He never even came to my mom’s because he said she always loved me more. Well yes he was right for once. She did love me more because I was the one who she called all hours of the night because she was having a bad asthma attack when my dad was working. She just wanted someone to be with her or sometimes take her to the ER. My brother was no where to be found. Another one who said he was “too busy”.

I left a message last week and asked if we could get together for the holidays. He never returned my call but yesterday I got a Christmas card in the mail from him. I was shocked when I saw it and I thought maybe things would be “okay” finally. In it was a picture of his two boys and a note saying they were going to Astoria, Queens to be with his wife’s family for the holidays and he was sorry and maybe another time. I certainly won’t be holding my breath waiting to hear from him again. He couldn't even call and tell me?
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