thank you david, I will read everything in the morning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pulwa9s7Q_4


David

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nut5nQ-EMIE




David

bumping this up

in the hope a friend may stop by.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mqs7XD0K7I

Life is like i said a circus................but we all have a part in this big top event..........we even change roles throughout the show.

David

The elephant hangs around a lot of us. I didn't know what to say, as your pain is very deep. Just wanted you to know that I care. I am so sorry you were treated with such indifference. That makes the load that much heavier. Maybe when we come here to talk about it, things can get better. There should be open discussion on this subject. You have an extended family right here. We can't make up for the family that hurt you, ignored you, but we sure as heck can be here to support you now. I hope your pain is less today, and that hope remains alive. You are in my thoughts. ginnie

awesome
how we can learn from
our animal world
and in numbers and
to support one another
it's just awesome
thank you for that
me

Thank you ginnie for your concern what i wrote in this thread happened a long time ago...and time is a great healer.

my reason for writing it was to allow a conversation to take place about the STIGMA of SUICIDE

If we talk more about our feelings then the escalation of inner pain may be reduced or even curtailed.

My colleague at work has recently lost her son and her life is raw the ELEPHANT is deffinately in her life at present.

the saddest thing is when this tradgedy strikes people need to talk..but.not everyone wants to listen...........some cant even bring themselves to offer condolence in fear of being embeded in a conversation that they can't cope with.........[the survivor then feels isolaated even more]

talking is the answer........

David

Someone quoted on this site one time, that suicide only happens when your ability to cope fails. You are so right, talking is the cure, and so is when others truly care about you. When there is love, and a human sharing, even the worst pain a person can cope with better. My own depression lifts, when I am on this site talking to those that care. WE should not be afraid of talking about this. Anyone in severe pain, either emotionally or physically for a long period of time has bleak thoughts. Bring the sorrow into the light and the darkness fades away. ginnie

Never doubt that there is still a stigma regarding suicide.

*Dr. Edward Dunne, an editor of Suicide and Its Aftermath: Understanding and Counseling the Survivors, is a highly regarded clinical psychologist and a suicide survivor himself. He believes that the stigma of suicide is so powerful because people who kill themselves are breaking an unwritten contract that declares we should not be free to leave society at will.

"The whole horror of suicide resonates with the most profound existential question of one's life: "Why should I live?" he explains. "To hear that someone has answered no, that someone has broken the rules, is extraordinarily threatening to survivors."

*No Time to Say Goodbye" author Carla Fine

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i still cannot release my brain
of the whole day it began
to the place he took his life
with a gun

i left home because of his sick ways
my two sisters still lived home my
youngest sister was 9
i did not have a phone yet in
my first new apartment
i used the pay phone downstairs
my brain has its own theory
but we will never definitively
know
there was too much chaos
but i wasn't surprised
he was forty seven
the traditional foreigner
lost in the western world
and then learn the background
of my culture and their beliefs
on suicide blows me away
my birth parent to me
he was asking to see me
he wanted to speak to me
will never know
but as an adult
it was inevitable
and then to learn of my children
attempts is painful
two are doing so much better
and one suffering addiction
is not easy
my youngest withdrawn from school
is a travesty
but we will overcome the adversities
as i must help where i can
i can only guide and speak
the truth
and the word of God
we are human
we acquire if no foundation
given
we all feel
as human
as the spirit does
healing from whatever would make
one think "it" can not be left alone
and taken seriously
as a good friend
through song says
as i believe
"we just want to be saved"
Amen my friend
Amen!
may Jesus Christ
carry us in them hard time
i am just a woman living a
woman existence
have my soul to back me up
Jesus Christ my Savior
i will listen
me