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Old 10-17-2017, 02:03 PM   #1
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I know there are other forums out there that I could be asking in, but my dad is currently undergoing chemo and radiation treatment for esphogeus cancer, not particularly worried as it was caught early and they started treatment rather quickly, and we’re talking a tumor that is less than a centimeter in size. But there was something that struck me as odd, they are actually encouraging his drinking beer, saying it’s a good protein while he undergoes treatment, and are strongly advising a meat and potato diet???

Now I’ll admit, I don’t know a whole lot about cancer, my dad is the first and thus far only person to ever get it on either side of my family tree, and most certainly is from his exposure to agent orange back in Nam. But as far as I knew, sugars aid the growth of cells... cancer cells included... so why on earth would they want him drinking beer, which is loaded with sugars, and carb loading? Is it a matter of like to treat like? Hoping to increase the growth of healthy cells? A matter of keeping weight up? I just don’t get it... I mean, the meats I can somewhat understand.... but why all the carbs too? Especially since they want him well hydrated as well, so it seems high water content veggies should have a higher priority, and fiber....

Yet his nutritionalist is saying to forget the nuts, seeds, berries, and broccolis... go for the candy, beer, pizza and chips... I’m not particularly worried about him eating like a high schooler as such... just curious if anyone has any insight as to why that would be the recommendation.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:29 PM   #2
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Those dietary suggestions sound very strange to me.

The information here might help you and your father Cancer Diet: Eating Right When You Have Cancer.
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I think your father will guide his diet with his preferences. Sounds like they encourage carbs. I am 62 with MS and think about trying Ensure, I notice my appetite waning. Try talking to someone.
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Well, still no real answer, my mom who is taking him to his appts asked about it, and was kind of brushed off... she didn’t force the issue though since like me we’re not really concerned, more curious since it seems the opposite of what we’ve read up on. But the good news is today marks the end of his second week and he’s feeling fine minus a slight irritation to his throat and neck and the doctor is impressed with how well he’s doing as well... he’s still smoking unfortunately, but nothing we say or do will change that, and since he’s so well he doesn’t believe at all that he needs to quit .

Now I don’t know if maybe his suggested diet comes from him being a VA patient, maybe they’re using him as a guinea pig since they did catch it early and he had/has an excellent prognosis, one possibility for sure, especially since while we we’re prepping for the cancer treatments he had a mature cataract nearly explode his eye (thought he was having a stroke) and after the eye surgery to correct it he could see out of his eye! He’s been blind in that eye since he was a young child, possibly since birth even, and while still legally blind as of a week after the cataract surgery, he could actually see to read down to the third line of the eye chart . So the might feel confident in using him to double check on some theories and common practices.

If nothing else I know who I get my head scratchers from doctors from lol, we both seem to defy what medical science says A is supposed to be equal to.
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And yep, mystery solved... he is part of a study... which he did volunteer for, just my mother and I didn’t know it. He’s the one that clued us in, since his cancer should be “curable” any ways, and since they decided to speed up the process, he figured what was the harm in possibly needing a few more weeks if his diet played any role. So it’s his “job” so to speak to scarf down as much protein and carbs as he can through treatment and they’ll compare it to others going through on the leaner more fiber filled diets. I’m guessing new research is questioning the effects of diet, and thus far seems to be actually working more in my dad’s favor.

He hasn’t had any weight loss, only just got the beginnings of thrush, no nausea or vomiting even after his 3rd chemo treatment, for all intents and purposes he is the picture of health, his counterpart who is in roughly the same boat as him in terms of discovery and size of tumor though only a few days ahead of him on treatment, still hasn’t recovered from thrush, and has lost a little over 10lbs, is greatly weakened and while both are receiving the same treatments and it’s having the same effect on the tumor, the other guy is battling constant nausea and vomiting and looking for all the world like a “cancer” patient and taking many more medications to combat the effects, while my dad is still walking back and forth to his appointments roughly a mile or so a day, eating well and not taking any medication beyond his treatments.

So they may be on to something, or it could just be my fathers red-headed immune system. They’re also going to be testing his DNA looking for cancer markers which is really cool as he’ll be part of cancer research for a long time to come yet. Coming right after being a unique case study after his cataract surgery where they restored sight to an eye that had been blind for 60+ years at least. Luck of the Irish
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And my father's guinea pig status is still paying off, he has one more chemo treatment this upcoming week and will need 10 more radiation treatments following that so he'll be all done on the 22nd (my birthday ) and he has yet to take any pain medication, or even feel the need to. He's still eating like a horse (college frat boy horse, but a horse nonetheless) and has actually gained weight through his treatment, both in muscle and a little bit of fat . That he has gained pudge is shocking to the extreme since my father has always, always been the type to never gain an ounce no matter what he eats or does... lucky devil, couldn't pass those genes along .... Though the muscle mass is more from him walking, still walking... to his appointments. Which is far more active than he has been in probably 20 years.

And he has encouraged those staying at the lodge nearby his treatments to do the same, not quite so much for the diet, but the getting out and walking, it's just a few blocks to radiation from the lodge, it's just a few blocks over to the VA for the pharmacy and fluids, just a few blocks back to radiation, just a few blocks back to the lodge (those "few blocks" here there and everywhere though add up quickly through the course of the day though). I'm guessing my father missed his calling as a motivational speaker . Because even the people at the lodge are surprised at the number of people who are kind of following my folks out the door in the morning, or leaving shortly after and taking at least the morning stroll over to their doctor's office. They've had a few patients over the years decide it was just easier to walk than wait on shuttles, but never a "trend-setter" like my dad who has more than half the patients now walking to their doctors.

And on the whole, most of those that are walking (including the patient who's in a wheelchair and is being pushed to his doctor's appts) are doing better... so I guess there's something to be said for fresh air and exercise in going through cancer treatments, it's possible that has a much higher effect on it than diet. Though I guess it shouldn't be a revelation, since how long ago did the book Heidi come out? One sickly kid sent to the mountains, and one sent to bed... Mountain kid becomes healthy and strong, take the sickly bedridden kid to the mountains and same thing repeats... rather makes me question the wisdom of laying in bed when struck with a cold or flu Though even in the book, the bedridden kid was given broth and veggies, out in the mountains she was given fats and protein and high amounts of starch soooo....
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