Hi all,

Read somewhere on this forum that there was a DR somewhere in
Eastern PA that does a test (ONLY one in PA) that proves without a DouBT that you have TOS. Anyone know who that is?

Also on the old forum there was a DR JULIE FREISCHLAG 9spelling) suposidly from John HOPKINS hospital in baltimore that was good.

Can anyone help me? I have already seen DR T and he has already DX me with TOS that was back in 2004 and I am now being treated by family DR.
Big problems though going through Divorce and recieve SSDI can barely make it on that so am seeking spousal support.
I am having to Prove all over again that I am disabled due to loosing w/c case which is on appeal. Even though I receive SSDI.
Sounds NUTS I know but I married one. I don't know if any of you remember me from the old forum but this has been going on for a long time. I want this man outta my life.

Any help anyone can suggest would be appreciated... you can pm me or email also.

Thanks G-mom2

I'm going to Freischlag currently and she'll be doing my surgery on the 5th. I posted her Baltimore address info in the board listing doctors that deal with TOS. She'll evaluate you to see what route would be best for you. For me she pushed surgery but that was after my diagnosis injections and botox injections worked so well for me. I'm guessing that if they hadn't she would have suggested a different route (tho conventional PT wasn't doing diddly so I'm not sure what route would have been left other than repeat botoxes).

There's also a Dr. Bonnie Gerecke at U of MD Medical in Baltimore that might be able to help. I'm not certain but I don't believe she has as much experience as Freischlag but she'd be able to definitely help pinpoint whether you have TOS or not. I was going to undergo a specialized EMG that U of MD Medical developed for TOS but my symptoms shifted enough that I didn't need any more convincing that surgery was my best route. Gerecke's address & phone are...

Bonnie Gerecke
16 S. Eutaw St.
Baltimore, Md

PH DIRECT: 410-328-4323
MAIN TOLL FREE: 1-800-492-5538
FAX: 410-328-1149

Hope this info helps. After my surgery next week, I can give a better idea of how good a surgeon Freischlag is and how good/bad a recovery it is from the type of surgery that she prefers to do. Fingers and eyes crossed it'll be as easy as my C5-C6 fusion.

Mary

Best of luck Mary, keep us posted on how it goes for you.

thanks for the info on DR Julie F.

Now does anyone know who the DOC is that does the test that definately confirms TOS? on Eastern side of PA?

Thanks all,
G-mom2

G-Mom,
the only thing I can think of is the testing that Dr.Filler does. He is now utilizing an office near Norristown. This is a link of info I found on him for CA...Prhaps the website may have information on the PA site.
Dr. Filler from California is now serviceing the Norristown, PA for those in need of diagx testing, he has the top equipment in the area.

Dr. Aaron G. Filler / Neurosurgeon
Century City Medical Plaza
2080 Century Park East Suite 1208
Century City, CA
(310) 314-2546
Website: www.nervemed.com

But, I don't know of a difinative test. If there is an anomlolie that show up for the entrapment it will show. Like if you are miswired, scalenses not allowing the vascular and neuro bundles travel right, or short fibrous bands to the collar bone.

Be weary of testing as many, many test will come up negative and shoot you in the foot for the other side. I would stick with hands on reproducing test and if you have had past EMG, positive, a good one from Rick Reed may be in order.

I think I read though OCBrenda wrote Dr Filler is no longer taking on cases involving litigation. Just those of treatment and consults.No depositions.

I only can reccomend Dr Scott Fried in our area. Knows his stuff and excellant depostions supportive of patient against the w/c and soc sec. or other litigation. Now he does a SEPPS test, with the electrods on the head and body??? De did not have that done.
Scott Fried is published and an expert on TOS and repetative syn. and RSD if I remember from the web site. He is not a cardiac surgeon, www.nervepain.com

The other person Is the guy in Baltimore that use to be at Hopkins and now on his own...Dr. Dellon. HE wrote that blue Book Dr T use to give out.....
Pretty limited around here otherwise.

Di

This article is a Scholary peer revieved, published:
I remember when the IME doctor brouight up about his being a physical therapist doing an EMG not a neurologist. I gave the attorney this published article to reer. THis man was from Phila and came up here with Rick Reed to have the EMG's for doctors availability in the area. THey are highly respected for there work.

‘‘EMG’’ for thoracic outlet syndrome
Thomas D. Tolson, PT, ECS
Pennsylvania Hand Center, 101 Bryn Mawr Avenue, Suite 300, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010, USA

The use of electrodiagnostic studies (EDX) in the work-up of thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS) is said to be controversial. We believe it is essential.
Neurogenic TOS refers to dysfunction of various components of the brachial plexus at various points between the neck and axilla [1]. For the purposes of this article, the author uses the term neurogenic to refer to those cases in which objective electrophysiologic evidence is obtained. How that evidence is obtained and its validity are discussed.

TOS presents with a variety of causative factors, symptoms, and physical findings; as a result, there is no gold standard for diagnosing it [2]. The diagnosis of neurogenic/neurologic TOS elicits a response of controversy, and so do the various methods of arriving at that diagnosis. To some, TOS is a diagnosis of exclusion that incorporates electrodiagnostic testing for exclu¬sion purposes only [3]. To others, various electro¬diagnostic techniques are a means of documenting the compromise of the brachial plexus or even to localize the problem to a specific segment of the brachial plexus [1,2,4–24].

Although few would dispute the value of a good clinical diagnosis, the virtues of EDX lead to considerably more contention when discussing TOS. The rationale for EDX has been well stated as a logical ‘‘extension of the history and physical exam, but it can provide reproducible objective data on the severity, progression over time, and extent of recovery after surgery for nerve entrap¬ment’’ [4].

There are two major categories of EDX; they are electromyography (EMG) and nerve conduc¬tion studies (NCS). Some examiners seem to
weigh either the EMG or the nerve conduction data more heavily, or sometimes exclusively, in arriving at their diagnosis. Others seem to take a more balanced approach, weighing these find¬ings more as an indicator of involvement or a way of determining specific location within the bra¬chial plexus and level of severity.

Some suggest or outright state that EMG (axonal/neurogenic) changes are of primary im¬portance and apparently believe that EMG find¬ings, including denervation, polyphasia, and decreased motor unit activity are necessary for a definitive diagnosis [5–7]. Those who rely on NCS more heavily do not seem to totally discount EMG evidence of TOS, but believe that NCS may be an earlier and more sensitive diagnostic tool [8].

Diagnostic theories and early detection

A review of the literature reveals four primary groups of diagnostic theory.
1. Clinical diagnosis of inclusion (ie, history, signs, symptoms, and provocative testing, as are noted elsewhere in this issue)
2. Clinical diagnosis of exclusion (ie, radio¬graphs, CT scans, MRI, vascular studies); electrodiagnostic testing is used to rule out distal and systemic neuropathies
3. Primary diagnosis by electrodiagnostic stud¬ies (electromyography or NCS)
4. An eclectic approach incorporating all of the above with various levels of reliance on these individual techniques
When there is EMG evidence of TOS/brachial plexus neuropathy, there is little controversy.
states of pathology before the evolution of axonal change. NCS detect segmental demyelination and reflect these early changes.
Several investigators suggest that only axonal EMG changes are of diagnostic significance, including denervation activity, increased polypha¬sia, and decreased interference patterns [5,7]. Others suggest that, although EMG evidence is certainly significant, it is usually associated with more severe states of pathology; as a result, EMG is not sufficiently sensitive to detect early/less severe involvement.

Furthermore, it is generally agreed that detection at an earlier, less severe state might allow more timely treatment and might result in increased incidence of recovery or improvement.
Early detection seems therefore to be the primary rationale for the use of NCS [8]. These studies fall into the primary categories: motor and sensory. Each of these categories includes multiple specific techniques.

The motor category includes but is not necessarily limited to brachial plexus cord level testing, brachial plexus trunk level testing, and late response testing (primarily F-wave responses). The sensory category includes evaluation of sensory amplitudes of response for the median, ulnar, lateral antebrachial cutaneous, and medial antebrachial cutaneous nerves, as they reflect brachial plexus dysfunction. Various investigators preach the superiority of one, some, or all of the above. Somatosensory evoked potentials (SSEPs) also fall into this category.

Motor testing
Cord level testing of the brachial plexus consists of stimulation at the axilla and supraclavicular areas with the shoulder in 90° of abduction and full external rotation. The motor distal latency and amplitude of response is recorded from a distal muscle innervated by the appropriate cord of the plexus (upper/lateral, middle/posterior, and lower/ medial). Examples of these would be recording with surface recording electrodes over the biceps for the lateral cord of the upper plexus, the extensor carpi radialis, or abductor pollicis longus for the posterior cord of the middle plexus and the adductor digiti minimi for the medial cord of the lower plexus.

Sequential motor distal latencies are recorded from the axilla and the supraclavicular area, with supramaximal level stimulation. The distance between the stimulation sites is measured accu

Fig. 1. Positioning of patient and measurement with a caliper to obtain accurate distance between axilla (first stimulation point) and Erb’s point (second stimulation point). Recordings are obtained with electrodes over bi¬ceps motor point and abductor digiti minimi motor point. (From Pennsylvania Hand Center LTD; with permission.)
rately with a caliper (Fig. 1). The motor nerve conduction velocity can be calculated subsequently (velocity = distance/time). At this point the re¬sponses also may be evaluated for possible loss of motor amplitude crossing the specific segment.

Responses not complying with the chosen statistical or comparative norms are assessed as abnormal and suggestive of two possible pathol¬ogies: a demyelinating process (slowing of nerve conduction velocity) or loss of axons (loss of motor units resulting in decreased amplitude of response). Each cord segment (lateral, posterior, or medial cords) can be examined in this fashion.
Cervical root stimulation

Specific evaluation at trunk level of the brachial plexus is, on the other hand, more controversial. This technique consists first of testing the cord levels, as described earlier. Next stimulation is attempted at the C5–C6/upper trunk, C7/middle trunk, or C8–T1/lower trunk, root levels as appropriate [9]. This requires the insertion of a monopolar needle electrode to a site near the appropriate nerve root in the neck. The needle is connected to the negative/active pole of the stimulator. Next, either a surface electrode or a second needle electrode is placed at a site near the first needle electrode and is attached to the positive/passive pole of the stimulator. Stimula¬tion is performed at that root level as usual, using a supramaximal stimulus to obtain a maximal amplitude response.

Motor distal latency and amplitude of response are recorded at the appropriate distal muscle.
Latency for that segment is obtained by subtracting the supraclavicular latency from the root level latency. This is sometimes known as differential motor distal latency. The differential latency and the motor amplitudes of response are compared with the statistical norms and the contralateral side for that segment. Responses not complying with these norms are assessed as abnormal and are suggestive of segmental de¬myelination, axonal loss, or both, for the tested trunk level segment (upper/middle/lower).

The cervical nerve root stimulation technique has significant limitations. Patient tolerance and safety (risk versus gain) are two of them. Many patients cannot tolerate this procedure because of severe pain and passing out. Consideration of patient safety also exists; in attempting to insert the needle close to the nerve root, the root is at risk for being impaled and the nearby apex of the lung can be punctured. Although these dangers can be limited by proper technique, neither risk can be eliminated completely.

Other factors deter from the value of cervical root stimulation. The actual small and variable length of each component of the plexus, and in particular the trunks, makes it uncertain what exactly is being measured. In addition, the high level of stimulation required leads to ‘‘volume conduction’’ (the higher the electrical stimulus intensity, the further it spreads). Due to the spread of the stimulus, the measured length of the nerve segment may be inaccurate.
F-wave

Because of the technical and anatomic difficulty in studying proximal nerve lesions, the use of F-waves has been proposed as a solution. The F-wave is believed to result from the ‘‘backfire’’ of anti¬dromically activated anterior horn cells [10].

The F-wave is recorded by placing the active (anode) of a surface-recording electrode over the motor point and the reference (cathode) lead over the tendon of that muscle (Fig. 2). This represents the neural pathway to be examined (eg, ulnar nerve/medial cord/lower plexus). A supramaximal stimulus is applied to a point along the course of the nerve. The M response and F-wave are recorded and latencies are measured from the stimulus artifact to the onset of the evoked potential. Generally the shortest latency after several re¬sponses (usually more than 10) is recorded as the

Fig. 2. Set-up for F-wave testing of ulnar nerve/lower trunk. Same electrode position over abductor digiti minimi as Fig. 1 is used for recording. Stimulation is over ulnar nerve at the wrist. (From Pennsylvania Hand Center LTD; with permission.)

F-wave response; this minimizes time-related vari¬ability. Latencies also should be compared with the contralateral limb or other nerves in the same limb to increase sensitivity of this test.
The F-wave is proposed to access motor conduction along the most proximal segment of the nerve, however, ‘‘The inherent variability of the latency and configuration makes the use of F-wave less precise than that of direct compound muscle action potentials or M-response determi¬nation’’ [10].

The shortcomings of F-wave testing include the following:
1. By definition, the F-wave is the shortest latency measured. In other words, one measures the response from only one single motor neuron. In segmental neuropathies in which all neurons are not affected equally, therefore, one may in theory be measuring the latency of the only healthy neuron in the entire nerve.
2. F-wave represents motor component fibers only.
3. Much of the literature on the use of F-wave testing for TOS finds these studies to be of ‘‘limited utility’’ [11].
For these reasons, F-wave measurements are not as useful in the diagnosis of brachial plexus problems as may seem on theoretic grounds.
Sensory testing
Sensory testing is accomplished in the tradi¬tional manner for that component of mixed nerves


Fig. 3. Cross-section of spinal cord and spinal nerve. (From Pennsylvania Hand Center LTD; with permis¬sion.)
(median, ulnar, and radial) and purely sensory nerves (medial and lateral antebrachial cutaneous nerves), except the interpretation of these results differs from what might be considered standard testing.
At the cervical spine level, the dorsal sensory root ganglia are located within the neural foramina (Fig. 3). The nerve structures located proximal to the dorsal root ganglia are referred to as preganglionic, whereas the structures located distal to the dorsal root ganglia are referred to as postganglionic. The nerve roots (anterior and posterior), which are within the vertebrae, are therefore preganglionic; the spinal nerve and rami (anterior and posterior) are postganglionic [12].

Confusing as it may be, the most proximal structures in the brachial plexus are rami but are generally referred to as nerve roots.
Differential assessment of preganglionic (root avulsion) versus postganglionic (brachial plexus) pathology is possible with sensory nerve conduc¬tion studies (S-NCS). These also can differentiate between complete and incomplete brachial plexus lesions [10,11,13–17].

S-NCS is an indirect method that depends only on axonal changes (decreased amplitude). This is in contrast to motor nerve conduction studies (M¬NCS), in which direct changes of demyelination (slowing) can de detected in addition to axonal changes (decreased amplitude).
The sensory nerve action potential (SNAP) amplitudes measured by S-NCS are generally diminished in postganglionic, incomplete lesions (ie, brachial plexus) and are present and normal in preganglionic lesions (ie, complete nerve root avulsion lesions). Because none of the distal sensory nerve fibers travels through all of theproximal segments of the brachial plexus, how¬ever, no single sensory nerve response can assess all of the brachial plexus components.

Some investigators have suggested the use of typical/routine sensory NCS (ie, median, ulnar, and radial nerves) for the diagnosis of TOS [18,19]. Others propose less typical S-NCS to more thoroughly assess lesions within the brachial plexus [8,11,20–22]. Ferrante and Wilbourn tried to define more specifically distal sensory nerve conduction response parameters as (indirect) indicators of proximal sensory nerve axonal loss lesions within the brachial plexus [23]. They recommend testing of the lateral antebrachial cutaneous nerve (LAC) and thumb median and radial nerves for suspected upper plexus lesions. For suspected middle plexus lesions, they use the median nerve in the long finger. For the lower plexus they focus on the ulnar nerve in the small finger and on the ulnar dorsal sensory and medial antebrachial cutaneous nerves (MAC) [23].

A caveat to indirect sensory testing is that the sensory component testing of the median, ulnar, and radial nerves must be clear of distal segment involvement; axonal loss distally otherwise could be misinterpreted as a decrease in amplitude at the more proximal plexus level. The high frequency of distal neuropathy makes these procedures unreli¬able if the above precautions are not observed. This would not be a likely factor in testing the more proximal sensory nerves as discussed earlier (MAC and LAC). Difficulties in recording these responses, however, can be expected in patients with obesity or lymphedema [24].

Somatosensory evoked potentials
Somatosensory evoked potentials (SSEPs) measure sensory conduction latencies and ampli¬tudes in the peripheral nerves through the brachial plexus, cervical roots, posterior spinal cord, and the subcortical sensory neural pathways. Record¬ing electrodes are placed at specific standard locations, such as the elbow, axilla, supraclavic¬ular space, spinous process of the second cervical vertebra, and scalp. Distal stimulation of the median, ulnar, and radial nerves is performed at the wrist/forearm. Sensory nerve latencies and amplitudes of response are recorded; inter-site times can be calculated by subtraction. These data are evaluated statistically and relatively (side to side). Abnormalities are correlated with the appropriate segment and likely location of a lesion [7].

The primary negative factor regarding SSEP seems to be the lack of research showing its usefulness in differentiation or localization of lesions in the brachial plexus. In fact, Aminoff et al describe SSEPs (and F-waves) as being of ‘‘limited utility’’ [11]. Also, ‘‘There would likely be a tremendous dilution effect by many centimeters of normal functioning nerve’’ [4] as compared with a small length of compression at the thoracic outlet level. Other technical considerations, such as very small working amplitudes, large margin of error caused by factors such as skin resistance, and variation in electrode placement further add to the ‘‘limited utility’’ of this procedure.

Author’s preference
At the Pennsylvania Hand Center, we choose an eclectic approach. We favor procedures and techniques that seem most justified by several criteria: foundation in laboratory and clinical research, correlation with clinical complaints and signs, medical ethics (testing what is needed based on clinical assessment), patient safety versus possible gain from results, and common sense considerations of physics and physiology and their limitations.
Our most consistently productive (correlation with clinical picture) and efficacious (medically and with regard to patient safety) protocol for TOS is as follows.

1. Routine sensory testing of the distal compo¬nents of the median, ulnar, and radial nerves to rule out distal segmental neuropathy. If negative for distal neuropathy, these findings then may be applied toward possible correla¬tion with proximal, TOS/brachial plexus level pathology in evaluation of sensory nerve action potential (SNAP) amplitudes. If clin¬ically indicated, medial antebrachial cuta¬neous (MAC) and lateral antebrachial cutaneous (LAC) also may be examined.
2. Routine motor testing of the distal compo¬nents of the median and ulnar nerves (and the radial nerve, if indicated), the lateral cord of the upper plexus, the medial cord of the lower plexus, and, if indicated, the posterior cord of the middle plexus.
3. Routine EMG of the muscle groups of both upper extremities representative of the C4 through T1 nerve root distributions and the median, ulnar, and radial nerve distributions. When indicated, the study includes the
musculocutaneous, axillary, and proximal shoulder girdle musculature.
4. In a patient willing and desirous of surgery with a strongly suggestive history or clinical findings but with no objective electrophysio¬logic evidence, cervical nerve root level testing may be considered.
5. SSEPs also are considered if already per¬formed. We do not obtain SSEPs routinely because of the unreliability of this procedure.
6. We then grade our findings in severity and relate them to previous electrodiagnostic studies (Table 1).

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Hi Gmom,

If this isn't too personal a question.........I'm assuming from your screen name that you have children. Did you get custody of them ? Did your ex try to use TOS/disability against you fighting for custody ? My darling hubby has threatened to (well, because of TOS/pain, depression, and he believes I've had a drastic personality change because of the Cymbalta, because I had the nerve to tell him it was counseling "or else". Just wondering if you had an issue with this.

Finz

DiMarie had refered to Dr Filler. His scan is a neurography. The link below list the Pa site.
http://www.neurography.com/
I'm not sure if this helps..
I have had many neurographys and Dr Filler is my neuro TOS doc if I can help.
Best of Luck to you..

Dawn 3060,
Thanks I will check that website out. Do you travel to Pa
or does the DR? Maybe this is just a satelite office? Either way i appreciate your help.
It's bad enough having TOS let alone trying to get concrete evidence as it's so controversial here.

Thanks Again, G-mom2

I see Dr Filler in Santa Monica, Ca this is where his primary office is located. I had my neurography done in Pasadena, Ca.
I don't believe he has a satellite office although you could call his Ca office and inquire 310-314-6410.
The scan is done in Norristown and then he most likely reads it from Ca. I would think if you called the neurography center they could answer your question. I wish I could answer more for you. I know how it is with controversial it is the same way here in good ol Southern California.
Many Hugs and Good Luck
Dawn