[TraceyW]

Hi everyone,

I remember a while ago i saw some mention of the lymph system being affected by tos.

The last 6 months or so i have been getting small painful lumps in my right armpit (my symptomatic side) and one time in my left armpit. They are very tender but never amount to anything (they dont pop - just leave surface of my skin a bit red) They have been coming and going so eventually i went to docs earlier today and he wants to send me to have a lymph node biopsy!!!

It then occured to me that this could possibly be tos related so thought i would run it past you guys.....my doc did suggest possibly just blocked sweat glands but wants to refer me for tests to be sure.

very worried now - trying not to as i know most cancers (lymphomas and hodgkins) are not painful lumps.....but then i also know that tos seems to be responsible for all sorts of strange things!!

[Jomar]

I think tshadow mentioned something like that a few times. A few others too.

I can't recall if she mentioned a size or not.
Are they pimple sized, pea size, dime , quarter, etc ... semi soft, firm or very hard?

I do get puffy /achy armpits when I hold a book or newspaper open with my arms up/out - don't do that much anymore....

In the sticky I have videos about lymph drainage massage, or you can Google it -probably faster and maybe some newer ones are posted.

that and warmth might help to resolve the lumps, and if you can recall doing a different use that might have caused it?

[TraceyW]

Originally Posted by Jo*mar

I think tshadow mentioned something like that a few times. A few others too.

I can't recall if she mentioned a size or not.
Are they pimple sized, pea size, dime , quarter, etc ... semi soft, firm or very hard?

I do get puffy /achy armpits when I hold a book or newspaper open with my arms up/out - don't do that much anymore....

In the sticky I have videos about lymph drainage massage, or you can Google it -probably faster and maybe some newer ones are posted.

that and warmth might help to resolve the lumps, and if you can recall doing a different use that might have caused it?

About the size of a chickpea - semi soft i suppose - tender to the touch......

i will try the warmth thing. it doesnt feel as if it will ever come to a head of anything as it doesnt feel really close to the surface (its close but would have to swell up significantly more to burst the surface if it was a boil or cyst)

If the biopsy comes back with nothing then i will look into this lymph drainage.....very worried though.

[Jomar]

If you can raise your arm up or have a helper - if not painful for you.. they can hold arm up and do light strokes toward the core of your body.
that is the main way to do lymph drainage.

I do mine in the shower, I can still get my arms up and my ROM is OK.

My arm pits will get puffy, tender and sometimes a pinchy feeling - like if I am really into a book and read for more than and hour at a time.
If I prop with a pillow I can read longer...

[(Broken Wings)]

Hi

I've had little, nonpainful bumps for as long as I can remember, about 5 or 6 of them. I'm not worried about them. Those are not related to TOS.

I've had tender points but not knots in my armpits and the inside of my forearms and straight across the outside of my breasts. I have had puffy out of the bra to armpit swelling. I used 3" balloons placed in my armpits to relieve some of that deadened, weakening painful points. All these I related to accident resulting in worsening of cervical spine and TOS, scalenes and now realized pectoralis major and minor issues, scapula and shoulders... or the upper body.

I definitely would try the lymph drainage massage Jo*mar is referring to. Light tough massage will move things. Try it.

Keep in touch.

See ya around

[tied]

my lymph system gets clogged in my head. i self treat by massaging in a particular pattern.
1. use lotion. from my crows feet go out along the eyebrow.
2. from just under the ear, go toward the chin.
3. from the nose side to the ear side follow the bags under your eyes.
4. from the outside of the eye go towards the ear
this technique might clear up a headache. be sure to use lotion or you might get a skin abrasion.

also, alternating heat and cold can jump start stuck lymphs.

[beth]

Hi Tracey,

I have continued issues with my right armpit, even following a pec minor release over 5 years ago - a lot of it I am sure is due to my injured trap that causes my shoulder to drop, so in effect it is still compressing the nerves under the arm. There are so MANY nerves there in another very small outlet! Some branch to the side of the breast and others down the side of the ribcage. I can feel most of them.

What I wanted to say is, if the lymph massage doesn't work, it may be the bumps are actually trigger points, from constant muscle spasm and irritation. If so, you can help relieve those by slowly increasing, but firm pressure, and keeping the pressure applied as firmly as possible until you feel the trigger point "give". A PT or massage therapist will know how to do this and can teach you as well. But it can be fierce to do, especially in extra tender areas like this!

If I remember correctly what my PT told me about the lymph drainage, the touch is almost feather light, done in small constantly moving circles, and always towards the heart.

Hope you are feeling better!

[TraceyW]

Thanks Beth - the lymph specialist decided to not do a biopsy as they felt it was nothing to worry about. I was checked all over for any other lumps and all is ok.

I havent had any more bumps since starting the thread - it does seem strange to me that when they do appear, it is on my TOS side! So i think that is more than likely the cause......but im not dr of course! If they come back then will look further into lymph drainage - have tried the suggestions given so maybe that has helped a bit anyway!

[trixlynn]

I get exactly the same thing. What works best for me is hot damp washcloths. For some reason it has to be moist heat. I tried dry heat and it didn't work, but the moist heat works really well.

[(Broken Wings)]

Originally Posted by trixlynn

I get exactly the same thing. What works best for me is hot damp washcloths. For some reason it has to be moist heat. I tried dry heat and it didn't work, but the moist heat works really well.

I'll try that. And just a quick thought... I wonder if you take Saran Wrap and loosely wrap the washcloth after you've placed it comfortably in your armpitwhile it's hot and then wrap a towel or get under a blanke t, if that would help hold in heat and get all the moist heat treatment. ummmm....