Thoracic Outlet Syndrome Thoracic Outlet Syndrome/Brachial Plexopathy. In Memory Of DeAnne Marie.


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Old 08-24-2011, 09:09 AM #1
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*need to be read*

I'm pretty sure the main theory is to fight against gravity so muscles tend to atrophy and losing strenght (i can feel it).

http://jeb.biologists.org/content/204/18/3201.full.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?q=muscl...w=1440&bih=780


Info : Microgravity is a state of very low gravity.



Atrophy of skeletal muscles is a serious problem in a microgravity environment. It is hypothesized that the unloading of postural muscles˛, which no longer must resist gravity force, causes an accelerated breakdown of contractile proteins, resulting in a reduction in muscle mass and strength.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7311779500636S


˛ anterior scalene are postural muscles as well as phasic



I have no solution yet for any other entrapment zone so far. Medium scalene, subclavius muscle, pectoralis.

But i have some serious french documentations for the subclavius mucle atrophy and i am studying it.


The major problem


The major problem is : The symptoms tend to return gradually, from fingers up to forearm, while keyboarding.

It's a big problem. I think in two months it will go up my elbow. It is not permanent but tend to be permanent. But sleep reduce it. Today i can work fully, but i will switch for sure at 1/2 time.


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"When you load a muscle," Fitts continues, "its fibers begin a series of intracellular signaling steps. Genes within the cell nucleus make RNA [ribonucleic acid], which synthesizes proteins that make up muscle fiber. Pumping iron activates the expression of these proteins, which accumulate and enlarge the muscle fibers."

Microgravity has the opposite effect. It reduces the load that gravity naturally places on muscles, interrupting protein synthesis so that fibers begin to atrophy.

http://spaceresearch.nasa.gov/genera...mpingiron.html

Source : nasa.gov

But ! I have no more circulation problems !

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Old 08-24-2011, 09:29 AM #2
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Sorry for syntaxes problems

"Do you let the head lay all the way back on the ball?"

Juste find a way that induce the less effort possible for scalenes, support your soulders fully and balanced ect.

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Old 08-25-2011, 12:03 AM #3
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*need to be read*

I'm pretty sure the main theory is to fight against gravity so muscles tend to atrophy and losing strenght (i can feel it).

http://jeb.biologists.org/content/204/18/3201.full.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?q=muscl...w=1440&bih=780


Info : Microgravity is a state of very low gravity.



Atrophy of skeletal muscles is a serious problem in a microgravity environment. It is hypothesized that the unloading of postural muscles˛, which no longer must resist gravity force, causes an accelerated breakdown of contractile proteins, resulting in a reduction in muscle mass and strength.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7311779500636S


˛ anterior scalene are postural muscles as well as phasic



I have no solution yet for any other entrapment zone so far. Medium scalene, subclavius muscle, pectoralis.

But i have some serious french documentations for the subclavius mucle atrophy and i am studying it.


The major problem


The major problem is : The symptoms tend to return gradually, from fingers up to forearm, while keyboarding.

It's a big problem. I think in two months it will go up my elbow. It is not permanent but tend to be permanent. But sleep reduce it. Today i can work fully, but i will switch for sure at 1/2 time.


Other need-to-read :

"When you load a muscle," Fitts continues, "its fibers begin a series of intracellular signaling steps. Genes within the cell nucleus make RNA [ribonucleic acid], which synthesizes proteins that make up muscle fiber. Pumping iron activates the expression of these proteins, which accumulate and enlarge the muscle fibers."

Microgravity has the opposite effect. It reduces the load that gravity naturally places on muscles, interrupting protein synthesis so that fibers begin to atrophy.

http://spaceresearch.nasa.gov/genera...mpingiron.html

Source : nasa.gov

But ! I have no more circulation problems !
So let me understand this, that excersize you showed us basically causes the anterior scalene muscle to atrophy?
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:04 AM #4
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The major problem


The major problem is : The symptoms tend to return gradually, from fingers up to forearm, while keyboarding.

It's a big problem. I think in two months it will go up my elbow. It is not permanent but tend to be permanent. But sleep reduce it. Today i can work fully, but i will switch for sure at 1/2 time.
Throw more factors at it. For example:

-- I type on the Dvorak layout which is know to require a fraction of the finger movement and effort of the Qwerty layout. Windows, Mac and Linux all support Dvorak.

-- I type on a TypeMatrix which is surprisingly ergo and also reduces the amount of distance to get my hand to the mouse.


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But ! I have no more circulation problems !
That's fantastic! And it's my goal.

I ordered a swiss exercise ball, but while waiting for it to arrive, I figure the Brugger Relief Pose is the closest thing I can do. I've done it before, but now I'm doing it frequently. It seems to have improved my circulation problems drastically. I'll know more for sure after a week since symptoms tend to wax and wane anyway.

I have also joined the "hurt myself going too far" club for the first time. Having done the Brugger too many times, I strained my left pec. Interestingly that is my symptomatic side and therefore confirmation that pec tightness is a part of my problem.
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Your post is very helpful but I don't understand sleeping in U ?? Please could you describe what it is .

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How ?

1)

Exercice 2 only. 1 session per hour maximum. 1 session = 2 times.


2) Sleeping in "U" (entire arms and shoudlers supported) + neck relaxed with ergonomic pillow : work very well. [U] My blood flow improve in 30 secondes no joke !! with relaxation i feel all my scalenes relaxing between colarbone and first rib. Incredible

3) Supported arm on computer


Had V/A/N TOS from RSI.

Info : The TMJ become relaxed as the scalene become relaxed.

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