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hellothere · 08-25-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by boytos

*need to be read*

I'm pretty sure the main theory is to fight against gravity so muscles tend to atrophy and losing strenght (i can feel it).

http://jeb.biologists.org/content/204/18/3201.full.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?q=muscl...w=1440&bih=780

Info : Microgravity is a state of very low gravity.

Atrophy of skeletal muscles is a serious problem in a microgravity environment. It is hypothesized that the unloading of postural muscles², which no longer must resist gravity force, causes an accelerated breakdown of contractile proteins, resulting in a reduction in muscle mass and strength.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7311779500636S

² anterior scalene are postural muscles as well as phasic

I have no solution yet for any other entrapment zone so far. Medium scalene, subclavius muscle, pectoralis.

But i have some serious french documentations for the subclavius mucle atrophy and i am studying it.

The major problem

The major problem is : The symptoms tend to return gradually, from fingers up to forearm, while keyboarding.

It's a big problem. I think in two months it will go up my elbow. It is not permanent but tend to be permanent. But sleep reduce it. Today i can work fully, but i will switch for sure at 1/2 time.

Other need-to-read :

"When you load a muscle," Fitts continues, "its fibers begin a series of intracellular signaling steps. Genes within the cell nucleus make RNA [ribonucleic acid], which synthesizes proteins that make up muscle fiber. Pumping iron activates the expression of these proteins, which accumulate and enlarge the muscle fibers."

Microgravity has the opposite effect. It reduces the load that gravity naturally places on muscles, interrupting protein synthesis so that fibers begin to atrophy.

http://spaceresearch.nasa.gov/genera...mpingiron.html

Source : nasa.gov

But ! I have no more circulation problems !

So let me understand this, that excersize you showed us basically causes the anterior scalene muscle to atrophy?

chroma · 08-25-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by boytos

The major problem

The major problem is : The symptoms tend to return gradually, from fingers up to forearm, while keyboarding.

It's a big problem. I think in two months it will go up my elbow. It is not permanent but tend to be permanent. But sleep reduce it. Today i can work fully, but i will switch for sure at 1/2 time.

Throw more factors at it. For example:

-- I type on the Dvorak layout which is know to require a fraction of the finger movement and effort of the Qwerty layout. Windows, Mac and Linux all support Dvorak.

-- I type on a TypeMatrix which is surprisingly ergo and also reduces the amount of distance to get my hand to the mouse.

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Originally Posted by boytos

But ! I have no more circulation problems !

That's fantastic! And it's my goal.

I ordered a swiss exercise ball, but while waiting for it to arrive, I figure the Brugger Relief Pose is the closest thing I can do. I've done it before, but now I'm doing it frequently. It seems to have improved my circulation problems drastically. I'll know more for sure after a week since symptoms tend to wax and wane anyway.

I have also joined the "hurt myself going too far" club for the first time. Having done the Brugger too many times, I strained my left pec.

Interestingly that is my symptomatic side and therefore confirmation that pec tightness is a part of my problem.

chroma · 08-25-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hellothere

So let me understand this, that excersize you showed us basically causes the anterior scalene muscle to atrophy?

I'm not the original poster than you quoted, but I would be skeptical of atrophy unless what he meant was that his anterior scalenes were hypertrophied and this brought them back to normal.

What I'm not skeptical of is that the exercise helped him, and also allowed his scalenes to relax and possibly also helped realign his "thoracic posture".

Repeated Brugger Relief Pose has been helping me, but I would describe it as a repositioning effect as opposed to changing my muscle sizes. I'm getting the exercise ball this week and will give boytos' approach a try afterwhich I'll have more to say.

boytos · 08-25-2011, 01:58 AM

It's all theorical. About my circulations it wasnt so difficult, my symptoms was light circulations problems on hands while standing up and it was just a clear little compression on anterior scalene, i felt it one time

Here it is "the center of research thread" not the "cure all thread". It mean i invit you to read and invest in time to understand or search for your disease.

The desability for keyboarding is still sad *sigh*. I don't want to switch to a keyboard like typematrix because it would mean i give up... I know it's stupid so i certainly will but you know...

About the exercice, in time you will feel your scalene weak and light. More you do it more you feel it. If you don't feel it you do something wrong. More you do it more it's permanent. But it always return at time if you stop or do some forward head posture.

boytos · 08-25-2011, 02:59 AM

I figure the Brugger Relief Pose is the closest thing I can do

I don't get it. Please give link or explanations.

Jomar · 08-25-2011, 11:51 AM

easiest to see it in videos -
http://www.google.com/search?q=Brugg...w=1360&bih=668

boytos · 08-25-2011, 11:52 AM

I see but i don't understand how it can help tos, anyway thanks.

Good timing

Jomar · 08-25-2011, 01:04 PM

I think the basic ideas is much like Sharon Butlers suggestion of doing "reverse" postures.

[This is an exercise of reversals. Reversing your common body positions helps undo the physical stresses that build as a result of the constant postures and positions required by your job or your waking hours activities. ]
more -
http://www.selfcare4rsi.com/reverse-stretch.html

chroma · 08-25-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boytos

I see but i don't understand how it can help tos, anyway thanks.

Good timing

But the whole reason I chose the Brugger Relief Pose is because you said you got relief from the sternal positional Swiss ball release. My Swiss ball hadn't show up yet and Brugger seemed like a reasonably close approximation until it did.

Also, what Jo*mar said: (1) search YouTube and (2) reverse postures.

mspennyloafer · 08-25-2011, 04:20 PM

i did the bruggs pose about a month ago and had a major flare up
my spine hates me

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